Great Googly Moogly!

[Joe_Chief 1,092]

Chiefs are 7-2 and the #1 seed...on the back of defense for a change, but still winning.  And the fucking sky is falling!

I was an article about Kelce's season worst performance and how he was declined...TSwift is a distraction...too many TV commercials...Pat has peaked and is on the decline...the league has left Andy behind...

Christ almighty, just because they are winning differently doesn't mean the end of an Era.  It's the BEGINNING...they are struggling because of new, inexperienced personnel groupings.  Shit will only get better, and this time with a great defense for a change.

 

[Holmes4six! 968]

1 hour ago, Joe_Chief said:

Chiefs are 7-2 and the #1 seed...on the back of defense for a change, but still winning.  And the fucking sky is falling!

I was an article about Kelce's season worst performance and how he was declined...TSwift is a distraction...too many TV commercials...Pat has peaked and is on the decline...the league has left Andy behind...

Christ almighty, just because they are winning differently doesn't mean the end of an Era.  It's the BEGINNING...they are struggling because of new, inexperienced personnel groupings.  Shit will only get better, and this time with a great defense for a change.

 

Your right. But my frustrations are with the simple, fundamental things. 
1. returning punts. Don’t catch it within the 8 or less. 
2. run the ball on third and 1 and to keep ahead of the sticks. 
3. Keep Rice on the field. He is starting to garner attention of defenses which will open up things for others. 

we have two weeks to talk about things. 
lol. 

[Joe_Chief 1,092]

3 minutes ago, Holmes4six! said:

Your right. But my frustrations are with the simple, fundamental things. 
1. returning punts. Don’t catch it within the 8 or less. 
2. run the ball on third and 1 and to keep ahead of the sticks. 
3. Keep Rice on the field. He is starting to garner attention of defenses which will open up things for others. 

we have two weeks to talk about things. 
lol. 

You aren't wrong!  I was cursing Hardman's name a few times today.  And sometimes they need to just pick up the 1st instead of getting greedy and airing it out on 3rd and short.

[SEMO 6,811]

A frightening reality about the Chiefs? The defense is finally ready to carry Patrick Mahomes

 

Charles Robinson

Senior NFL reporter

Mon, Nov 6, 2023, 6:48 AM CST·6 min read

 

 

At some point for the Kansas City Chiefs, the balancing was inevitable. Head coach Andy Reid and general manager Brett Veach were devoting too much time, too much effort and too many assets to fail. And on Sunday, they saw a flag-planting moment, witnessed on an international stage, that showed everyone else what they’ve known for awhile.

The Chiefs' defense has caught up to its offensive counterpart. And when the generational quarterback needs to be carried for a few Sundays — or maybe even through February — Kansas City has finally put together the unit to make it happen.

That much was on full display in Sunday’s 21-14 win over the Miami Dolphins in Frankfurt, Germany, when the audience was gifted one of the most exciting defensive plays of the season — with three Chiefs defenders combining on a 59-yard fumble return for a touchdown that was 18 months in the making.

We’ll get to that, but first it’s worth absorbing what Patrick Mahomes told the television audience after the win: that this is the best defensive unit that he’s played with … and maybe more.

“I think they’ve got a chance to be the best defense in the NFL,” Mahomes said.

The group is certainly on the doorstep considering the Chiefs have held seven of nine opponents to 20 points or less this season and were fifth in the league in defensive DVOA as of Sunday. Without looking at any other stats, most staffs will tell you that combination is a Super Bowl-level defense, and offers the recipe for a lot of wins (so long as the offense isn’t putrid). And Kansas City fits that mold, even if Mahomes and Reid are overseeing an offensive unit that is still not hitting on all cylinders this season.

In that framing, Sunday’s game against Miami was a perfect example of how this current iteration of the Chiefs is built to win. Facing a Dolphins scheme geared toward walling off Mahomes from tight end Travis Kelce, Kansas City was confronted with solving a playoff-level defense and a championship-level offense — in an overseas game that has a travel burden and distraction level unrivaled outside of a Super Bowl trip. And how they responded says a lot about where Kansas City’s defensive build is going.

In a few words? It’s ascending. Quickly.

Chiefs fans saw it encapsulated in that 59-yard fumble return for a touchdown, which saw young cornerback Trent McDuffie lay a hit on Dolphins wideout Tyreek Hill, while simultaneously punching out the football. Safety Mike Edwards then scooped up the fumble and advanced it, before spinning around and lateraling the ball to fellow safety Bryan Cook, who stepped toward the sideline and proceeded to take everyone around him to a track meet.

“Cook was rollin’, man,” Mahomes said afterward. “I said it looked like he was the anchor leg of a [4 x 100] in track. He got the knees up and was rollin’ down the field. Huge play that obviously mattered a ton at the end of the game.”

“The fact that [the defense is] so good at all three levels, that they’re deep — guys rotate in and they can play,” Mahomes continued. “… I knew they were going to be good, because you look at the end of last year, they played great football and no one really noticed. I knew they were going to be good [because] we brought back so many people, so many young guys, and they were going to develop. The fact that they’re all developing this fast, I don’t know if anyone could have guessed it.”

Sunday’s snapshot was bigger than just one week. Every top-end defense needs a flag-planting moment that showcases where it’s going — both inside the team structure and to the rest of the NFL. For the Chiefs, that fumble return was one of them, pulled together by two starters selected in the 2022 NFL Draft (McDuffie and Cook), and a free agent plucked last offseason to provide some veteran depth in the secondary (Edwards).

It had to be a particularly sweet moment for Reid and Veach, who have watched Hill play at a near-MVP level since being dealt to Miami prior to the 2022 season. The same Hill who boasted in the run-up that Kansas City was “going to get this work” and that he hoped to score a touchdown and deliver a message directly to Reid that the team never should have traded him. Hill never got that opportunity, getting held to 62 yards receiving while largely being covered by veteran cornerback L’Jarius Sneed. His costly fumble ended up being the difference in the game, putting the Chiefs up 21-0 before halftime.

But it was the Kansas City contributors to the play who should have Veach and Reid beaming. Both in their second years in the league, McDuffie is a budding star and Cook is developing into a solid starter, once again highlighting a defensive-heavy 2022 draft class that is becoming a foundational part of the balance in the franchise. That class also included rising defensive end George Karlaftis and linebacker Leo Chenal, who is helping to hold the fort while star Nick Bolton recovers from wrist surgery.

This kind of day was what Veach had in mind when he perched in front of a Zoom camera following the 2022 draft and explained to a curious media throng and fan base why he’d used seven of his 10 picks on defensive players. As Veach put it in that media session: “Obviously we have to have balance on both sides of the football and we wanted to upgrade the youth, the talent and the depth on the defensive side.”

This is what that looks like. Legitimate defensive balance that can hold arguably the NFL’s No. 1 offense to 292 total yards, a paltry 3-for-12 in third-down efficiency and quarterback Tua Tagovailoa to his lowest passing output this season. All while simultaneously floating Mahomes, whose 185 passing yards represented his lowest total since Dec. 5 … of 2021. And this in a game without Bolton, who will surely provide a late-season lift, and with star defensive tackle Chris Jones consistently double-teamed — to the point of providing only one quarterback pressure.

If this is what Kansas City’s defense looks like against an elite offense while operating without two stars performing at a peak level, who knows how well this unit could be humming in late December, when it’s time to hit a postseason groove.

Mahomes sees a trend toward the top of the league. Reid and Veach hoped and planned for it to come together that way.

If it’s even as close as those expectations and Sunday’s representation, it’s a newfound balance that should have the rest of the league worried.

https://sports.yahoo.com/chiefs-defense-patrick-mahomes-124827757.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lamardirts 2,114]

1 hour ago, SEMO said:

A frightening reality about the Chiefs? The defense is finally ready to carry Patrick Mahomes

 

Charles Robinson

Senior NFL reporter

Mon, Nov 6, 2023, 6:48 AM CST·6 min read

 

 

At some point for the Kansas City Chiefs, the balancing was inevitable. Head coach Andy Reid and general manager Brett Veach were devoting too much time, too much effort and too many assets to fail. And on Sunday, they saw a flag-planting moment, witnessed on an international stage, that showed everyone else what they’ve known for awhile.

The Chiefs' defense has caught up to its offensive counterpart. And when the generational quarterback needs to be carried for a few Sundays — or maybe even through February — Kansas City has finally put together the unit to make it happen.

That much was on full display in Sunday’s 21-14 win over the Miami Dolphins in Frankfurt, Germany, when the audience was gifted one of the most exciting defensive plays of the season — with three Chiefs defenders combining on a 59-yard fumble return for a touchdown that was 18 months in the making.

We’ll get to that, but first it’s worth absorbing what Patrick Mahomes told the television audience after the win: that this is the best defensive unit that he’s played with … and maybe more.

“I think they’ve got a chance to be the best defense in the NFL,” Mahomes said.

The group is certainly on the doorstep considering the Chiefs have held seven of nine opponents to 20 points or less this season and were fifth in the league in defensive DVOA as of Sunday. Without looking at any other stats, most staffs will tell you that combination is a Super Bowl-level defense, and offers the recipe for a lot of wins (so long as the offense isn’t putrid). And Kansas City fits that mold, even if Mahomes and Reid are overseeing an offensive unit that is still not hitting on all cylinders this season.

In that framing, Sunday’s game against Miami was a perfect example of how this current iteration of the Chiefs is built to win. Facing a Dolphins scheme geared toward walling off Mahomes from tight end Travis Kelce, Kansas City was confronted with solving a playoff-level defense and a championship-level offense — in an overseas game that has a travel burden and distraction level unrivaled outside of a Super Bowl trip. And how they responded says a lot about where Kansas City’s defensive build is going.

In a few words? It’s ascending. Quickly.

Chiefs fans saw it encapsulated in that 59-yard fumble return for a touchdown, which saw young cornerback Trent McDuffie lay a hit on Dolphins wideout Tyreek Hill, while simultaneously punching out the football. Safety Mike Edwards then scooped up the fumble and advanced it, before spinning around and lateraling the ball to fellow safety Bryan Cook, who stepped toward the sideline and proceeded to take everyone around him to a track meet.

“Cook was rollin’, man,” Mahomes said afterward. “I said it looked like he was the anchor leg of a [4 x 100] in track. He got the knees up and was rollin’ down the field. Huge play that obviously mattered a ton at the end of the game.”

“The fact that [the defense is] so good at all three levels, that they’re deep — guys rotate in and they can play,” Mahomes continued. “… I knew they were going to be good, because you look at the end of last year, they played great football and no one really noticed. I knew they were going to be good [because] we brought back so many people, so many young guys, and they were going to develop. The fact that they’re all developing this fast, I don’t know if anyone could have guessed it.”

Sunday’s snapshot was bigger than just one week. Every top-end defense needs a flag-planting moment that showcases where it’s going — both inside the team structure and to the rest of the NFL. For the Chiefs, that fumble return was one of them, pulled together by two starters selected in the 2022 NFL Draft (McDuffie and Cook), and a free agent plucked last offseason to provide some veteran depth in the secondary (Edwards).

It had to be a particularly sweet moment for Reid and Veach, who have watched Hill play at a near-MVP level since being dealt to Miami prior to the 2022 season. The same Hill who boasted in the run-up that Kansas City was “going to get this work” and that he hoped to score a touchdown and deliver a message directly to Reid that the team never should have traded him. Hill never got that opportunity, getting held to 62 yards receiving while largely being covered by veteran cornerback L’Jarius Sneed. His costly fumble ended up being the difference in the game, putting the Chiefs up 21-0 before halftime.

But it was the Kansas City contributors to the play who should have Veach and Reid beaming. Both in their second years in the league, McDuffie is a budding star and Cook is developing into a solid starter, once again highlighting a defensive-heavy 2022 draft class that is becoming a foundational part of the balance in the franchise. That class also included rising defensive end George Karlaftis and linebacker Leo Chenal, who is helping to hold the fort while star Nick Bolton recovers from wrist surgery.

This kind of day was what Veach had in mind when he perched in front of a Zoom camera following the 2022 draft and explained to a curious media throng and fan base why he’d used seven of his 10 picks on defensive players. As Veach put it in that media session: “Obviously we have to have balance on both sides of the football and we wanted to upgrade the youth, the talent and the depth on the defensive side.”

This is what that looks like. Legitimate defensive balance that can hold arguably the NFL’s No. 1 offense to 292 total yards, a paltry 3-for-12 in third-down efficiency and quarterback Tua Tagovailoa to his lowest passing output this season. All while simultaneously floating Mahomes, whose 185 passing yards represented his lowest total since Dec. 5 … of 2021. And this in a game without Bolton, who will surely provide a late-season lift, and with star defensive tackle Chris Jones consistently double-teamed — to the point of providing only one quarterback pressure.

If this is what Kansas City’s defense looks like against an elite offense while operating without two stars performing at a peak level, who knows how well this unit could be humming in late December, when it’s time to hit a postseason groove.

Mahomes sees a trend toward the top of the league. Reid and Veach hoped and planned for it to come together that way.

If it’s even as close as those expectations and Sunday’s representation, it’s a newfound balance that should have the rest of the league worried.

https://sports.yahoo.com/chiefs-defense-patrick-mahomes-124827757.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

That gets me excited.  I think the offense can get it figured out.  Maybe its not going to be juggernaut on offense but they can figure it out enough to be efficient.   We can win a SB with this team.

[West 6,713]

I went through the remaining schedules of the AFC Contenders:

Note: KC has the "Conference Wins Tiebreaker" on all the AFC Teams right now...

KC has the "head to head" advantage over Miami, Jacksonville & the Bolts.

 

Buffalo Schedule: (Denver,Jets,Philly, KC,Dallas, Chargers,Pats, Miami)

Miami Schedule:(Raiders,Jets,Wash,Tenn,Dallas,Balt,Buffalo)

Balt Schedule: (Browns, Cinci,Chargers,Rams,Jacksonville,SF,Miami,Pitt

Jacksonville Schedule:(SF,Tenn,Houston,Cinci,Cleveland,Balt,Tampa,Carolina, Tenn)

KC Schedule:  (Philly,Packers,Buff,Pats, Vegas, Cinci,Chargers)

Cinci Schedule: Tex, Ravens,Steelers, Jags,Colts,Vikings, Steelers, KC,Browns)

[West 6,713]

Balt has a tough schedule the last 4 games plus they have to play Cinci

Miami closes with 3 tough games

Buffalo has 3 tough games (Chiefs need to win that head to head)

Jacksonville has 3 tough games...Great that KC Beat them...

Cinci has a tough road ahead...(Ravens, Steelers x2 , Jags, Chiefs..)

 

[Calichief 3,016]

18 hours ago, Holmes4six! said:

Your right. But my frustrations are with the simple, fundamental things. 
1. returning punts. Don’t catch it within the 8 or less. 
2. run the ball on third and 1 and to keep ahead of the sticks. 
3. Keep Rice on the field. He is starting to garner attention of defenses which will open up things for others. 

we have two weeks to talk about things. 
lol. 

I think it’s time to get Toney back on the field in a real wr role.

[mex 65,581]

7 hours ago, Calichief said:

I think it’s time to get Toney back on the field in a real wr role.

Sometimes he shows incredible toughness in driving for that extra yard... but I always find myself yelling "HOLD ON TO THAT ROCK!!!"

[jetlord 10,209]

22 minutes ago, mex said:

Sometimes he shows incredible toughness in driving for that extra yard... but I always find myself yelling "HOLD ON TO THAT ROCK!!!"

...and I'm yelling, "Don't break or strain anything."  

[dhitter 1,424]

I love good defense. Chiefs finally have a very good defense. But I am somewhat concerned about the offense. We played Denver, a team with one of the worst defenses in the NFL and couldn't score one touchdown? I know Mahomes was sick ...but they put him out there didn't they? Miami was giving up 25 points a game and they have played some bad teams. The offense could only muster 14 points? That is not a sustainable recipe for a title run. At some point the offense has got to find a rhythm. 

[Holmes4six! 968]

2 hours ago, dhitter said:

I love good defense. Chiefs finally have a very good defense. But I am somewhat concerned about the offense. We played Denver, a team with one of the worst defenses in the NFL and couldn't score one touchdown? I know Mahomes was sick ...but they put him out there didn't they? Miami was giving up 25 points a game and they have played some bad teams. The offense could only muster 14 points? That is not a sustainable recipe for a title run. At some point the offense has got to find a rhythm. 

I’m very concerned about the offense as well. We are 9 weeks in and really same thing. 

[Lamardirts 2,114]

12 hours ago, West said:

Balt has a tough schedule the last 4 games plus they have to play Cinci

Miami closes with 3 tough games

Buffalo has 3 tough games (Chiefs need to win that head to head)

Jacksonville has 3 tough games...Great that KC Beat them...

Cinci has a tough road ahead...(Ravens, Steelers x2 , Jags, Chiefs..)

 

I think if we win that head to head vs Bills and split the Eagles/Cincy games we probably get the first round bye.  Don't see Baltimore running the table, but maybe they shock the world.

[Calichief 3,016]

5 hours ago, Lamardirts said:

I think if we win that head to head vs Bills and split the Eagles/Cincy games we probably get the first round bye.  Don't see Baltimore running the table, but maybe they shock the world.

As awesome as the defense is, if we don’t get the offense going even marginally better, we are losing to the eagles and the bengals. I think currently, those are the two best teams in football. Talent roster etc. 

ravens and chiefs right behind them. 
Im not hating, the chiefs win in the playoffs when it matters.. 

[West 6,713]

I think the Chiefs Defense is a difference maker, especially once Bolton gets back. 

I think the only team that has more talent than KC is maybe Philly.  KC plays up to the Big Games....lets see that game when it happens.

KC will get the offense back on track......;it starts with Mahomes and penalty free football...The Chiefs do not need to score 35 to beat these teams with the Defense.

27 points will do in most cases.

 

w

[jetlord 10,209]

4 hours ago, West said:

I think the Chiefs Defense is a difference maker, especially once Bolton gets back. 

I think the only team that has more talent than KC is maybe Philly.  KC plays up to the Big Games....lets see that game when it happens.

KC will get the offense back on track......;it starts with Mahomes and penalty free football...The Chiefs do not need to score 35 to beat these teams with the Defense.

27 points will do in most cases.

 

w

Right now, most of us would settle for 27.  But after the bye, the Chiefs may show a little more effectiveness in using their WRs and taking what the defenses give them.

[West 6,713]

yep...

27 is a reasonable goal for sure....Our O needs to "get it together" after the "Bye" week.

 

[mex 65,581]

20 hours ago, Lamardirts said:

I think if we win that head to head vs Bills and split the Eagles/Cincy games we probably get the first round bye.  Don't see Baltimore running the table, but maybe they shock the world.

I think Baltimore makes the AFCCG. They have a lot of tools... 

Of all the teams in the AFC... I do not want to face cincy.

[mex 65,581]

15 hours ago, Calichief said:

Im not hating, the chiefs win in the playoffs when it matters.. 

yes but anything can happen in any one game

as did vs TB in the SB

we were clearly the better team overall but it was just their day

[jetlord 10,209]

2 hours ago, mex said:

yes but anything can happen in any one game

as did vs TB in the SB

we were clearly the better team overall but it was just their day

Hard to win with a passing offense and no tackles.  

[mex 65,581]

11 hours ago, jetlord said:

Hard to win with a passing offense and no tackles.  

Well yeah, but we beat them handily the first week of December with the same roster and that was no fluke. I still think we were the best team that year. We just got cocky... especially with TH's antics... TB came in with something to prove.

[Burpo The Mad Clown 5,555]

13 hours ago, mex said:

yes but anything can happen in any one game

as did vs TB in the SB

we were clearly the better team overall but it was just their day

Well, it was an all pro Dline vs a practice squad Oline so the outcome was predictable. 

[mex 65,581]

11 minutes ago, Nadlers Quivering Balls said:

Well, it was an all pro Dline vs a practice squad Oline so the outcome was predictable. 

My point being in the NFL, anything can happen in any one game. If TB was by far the better team, how did we beat them... handily I might add... in December that same season? 

[Burpo The Mad Clown 5,555]

20 minutes ago, mex said:

My point being in the NFL, anything can happen in any one game. If TB was by far the better team, how did we beat them... handily I might add... in December that same season? 

No doubt. KC was the better team, the depleted Oline notwithstanding. 

[West 6,713]

We have Reid and Mahomes....I can not think of two better folks to rest my NFL Championship hopes on.

 

w