Kelce passes Gonzo

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[Burpo The Mad Clown 5,554]

I remember the 1970s and 1980s when the Chiefs went through TE after TE, looking for someone to step up. It was year after year of futility. 

All that ended when the Chiefs picked TG. Two HOF TEs whose careers followed so quickly after one other is rare air. 

[jetlord 10,207]

1 hour ago, Nadlers Quivering Balls said:

I remember the 1970s and 1980s when the Chiefs went through TE after TE, looking for someone to step up. It was year after year of futility. 

All that ended when the Chiefs picked TG. Two HOF TEs whose careers followed so quickly after one other is rare air. 

Futility went on after Gonzo.  After him they took Chris Wilson, Billy Baber, Michael Allen, Mike Merritt, Brad Cottam, Jake OConnell, and Tony Moeake, before finally hitting on Kelce.  Since then they've snagged James Oshanacy and Noah Gray.  Remember all the years when every draft we complained that the Chiefs would take one more TE that wouldn't work out?  Now many are begging for another.  

[Burpo The Mad Clown 5,554]

8 hours ago, jetlord said:

Futility went on after Gonzo.  After him they took Chris Wilson, Billy Baber, Michael Allen, Mike Merritt, Brad Cottam, Jake OConnell, and Tony Moeake, before finally hitting on Kelce.  Since then they've snagged James Oshanacy and Noah Gray.  Remember all the years when every draft we complained that the Chiefs would take one more TE that wouldn't work out?  Now many are begging for another.  

Oh, there was an interregnum to be sure. But, to have the services of two HOF GOAT-worthy TEs within such a short span of time is something to truly be thankful for. 

BTW, Moeaki would have filled the gap nicely if he could have stayed healthy. 

[West 6,713]

Nads, looking back at the 70's and 80's....our GM and Coaching was horrible....Hunt Senior was a visionary but he screwed the pooch until Marty showed up with Peterson

The franchise truly went south with the selection of Blackledge...those were horrible years.

 

[Burpo The Mad Clown 5,554]

17 minutes ago, West said:

Nads, looking back at the 70's and 80's....our GM and Coaching was horrible....Hunt Senior was a visionary but he screwed the pooch until Marty showed up with Peterson

The franchise truly went south with the selection of Blackledge...those were horrible years.

 

If you want to get truly depressed look at those drafts 1970 - 1983 or so. Criminal. 

[West 6,713]

I know...I know....what a shitshow this team became.....

For some reason, I hope we see Miami in the AFC Championship game.....It has been a long time, but we need some payback.

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[jetlord 10,207]

1 hour ago, West said:

Nads, looking back at the 70's and 80's....our GM and Coaching was horrible....Hunt Senior was a visionary but he screwed the pooch until Marty showed up with Peterson

The franchise truly went south with the selection of Blackledge...those were horrible years.

 

Lamar Hunt was a visionary and gracious man but he was too loyal to his senior employees.  The team declined under Steadman in the early '70s, but Schaaf was the GM for 13 years after that and the team won less than 40% of their games in that time.  Failed coaches, failed drafts, failed FAs.  Fans could walk up to Arrowhead on game day and get good seats from scalpers for near nothing just before kickoff.  Hunt tolerated that for 13 long years.  Contrast that to the price of a ticket to the Philly game this year.  

[SEMO 6,811]

3 hours ago, West said:

Nads, looking back at the 70's and 80's....our GM and Coaching was horrible....Hunt Senior was a visionary but he screwed the pooch until Marty showed up with Peterson

The franchise truly went south with the selection of Blackledge...those were horrible years.

 

13 players drafted in 1975.  A total of 13 career games played, and 2 of them were for NO.  manoman

ear	Rnd	Player	Pick	Pos	To	AP1	PB	St	wAV	G	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	College/Univ
1975	2	Elmore Stephens	34	TE		0	0	0																Kentucky
1975	3	Cornelius Walker	59	DT		0	0	0																Rice
1975	6	Morris LaGrand	137	RB	1975	0	0	0	0	13	0	0	0	0	0	13	38	1	1	-1	0			Tampa
1975	6	Dave Wasick	139	LB		0	0	0																San Jose St.
1975	8	Wayne Hoffman	189	TE		0	0	0																Oklahoma
1975	11	Dale Hegland	268	G		0	0	0																Minnesota
1975	12	James Rackley	293	RB		0	0	0																Florida A&M
1975	13	John Snider	318	LB		0	0	0																Stanford
1975	14	Gene Moshier	346	G		0	0	0																Vanderbilt
1975	16	Mark Petersen	396	DE		0	0	0																Illinois
1975	17	Mike Bulino	424	DB		0	0	0																Pittsburgh

 

[NCK Chiefs Fan 425]

1 hour ago, jetlord said:

Lamar Hunt was a visionary and gracious man but he was too loyal to his senior employees.  The team declined under Steadman in the early '70s, but Schaaf was the GM for 13 years after that and the team won less than 40% of their games in that time.  Failed coaches, failed drafts, failed FAs.  Fans could walk up to Arrowhead on game day and get good seats from scalpers for near nothing just before kickoff.  Hunt tolerated that for 13 long years.  Contrast that to the price of a ticket to the Philly game this year.  

I remember those day well.  I born as a Chiefs fan and went to my 1st Chiefs live Chiefs game when my oldest son now 40 was 10 years old.  I bought  tickets by phone on Friday, drove to Arrowhead Stadium, sat mid Field level on the 50 yard line with empty seats around us.   The Chiefs played the Seahawks that game and won.  

[qnet 1,150]

I love them both, but in fairness to Gonzo; Kelce really blew up once Mahomes arrived. Trent Green was the best GB Toney G ever had when he played with the Chiefs. 

I wish I had paid attention to the Chiefs as a kid,  but they were so bad I didn't care. I was watching Shaggy Shane, who is only a couple of years younger than me. He said that when Blackledge would struggle, the HC Mackovic would pull him and put Kenny in. I also wonder why Mackovic was fired after a 10-6 season.

[sith13 1,746]

Definitely didn't follow one another but I'm fine with the time in between considering they are the 2 best TEs in NFL history. 

[jetlord 10,207]

20 hours ago, qnet said:

I love them both, but in fairness to Gonzo; Kelce really blew up once Mahomes arrived. Trent Green was the best GB Toney G ever had when he played with the Chiefs. 

I wish I had paid attention to the Chiefs as a kid,  but they were so bad I didn't care. I was watching Shaggy Shane, who is only a couple of years younger than me. He said that when Blackledge would struggle, the HC Mackovic would pull him and put Kenny in. I also wonder why Mackovic was fired after a 10-6 season.

Didn't Makovic replace Marv Levy who went on to become a Hall of Fame coach?  Neither had many good players to use.  It's hard to come up with great names from that era of the late 1970s - early 1980s.  Some real stinkers drafted. 

[KCSLC2008 605]

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[KCSLC2008 605]

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Worked for me

[Burpo The Mad Clown 5,554]

On 11/13/2023 at 6:15 PM, jetlord said:

Didn't Makovic replace Marv Levy who went on to become a Hall of Fame coach?  Neither had many good players to use.  It's hard to come up with great names from that era of the late 1970s - early 1980s.  Some real stinkers drafted. 

There were some excellent Chiefs from those years, particularly on defense. Lloyd Buruss, Gary Green, Albert Lewis, Gary Barbaro, Deron Cherry, Bill Mass, Art Still, Gary Spani, Joe Delaney, Carlos Carson, Henry Marshall, Stephon Paige, JT Smith, et al.
They just never got it together and were usually plagued with a lesser QB and subpar coaching. 

But, yeah, the drafts that period were mostly horrific. 

[KCSLC2008 605]

15 hours ago, xen said:

Worked for me

Thank you, even though I know I posted it, the description isn’t quite accurate. The description sounds like having a great player was great for Alex’s career. Which it was, but that’s not what he was saying.

He talked about how Andy Reid was perfect for Kelce because Andy does not force squares into round holes, let’s Kelce be himself, and lets him have football creativity and adjustments, and how it works perfectly with Mahomes. That the combination of the opportunity and the talent produced the greatest tight end. (Related, he’s not saying that Andy Reid made Travis or anything like that, he’s saying that the opportunity was perfect to showcase his talent and maximize his production. And of course, Mahomes maximizes that as well.)

[mex 65,581]

Not to reopen old wounds that never healed, but just as an FYI on how good we got it with Veach and Reid:

1983 Draft we took Todd Blackledge over:

Jim Kelly, Bills

Tony Eason, Pats

Ken O'Brien, Jets

Dan Marino, Phins

Gary Kubiak, Donks

SMMFH

 

[Burpo The Mad Clown 5,554]

16 minutes ago, mex said:

Not to reopen old wounds that never healed, but just as an FYI on how good we got it with Veach and Reid:

1983 Draft we took Todd Blackledge over:

Jim Kelly, Bills

Tony Eason, Pats

Ken O'Brien, Jets

Dan Marino, Phins

Gary Kubiak, Donks

SMMFH

 

I was so excited when we drafted Blackledge. Big, strong, mobile QB with a freaking rocket launcher for an arm. Plus, he was a winner, having just won the college championship. On paper, he was just a hair below Elway and was coveted by every other team. 

That he had a chronic inability to check down receivers and go through the rotation never seemed to occur to anyone. I guess they thought his freakish physical skills could overcome any shortcomings.  

[SEMO 6,811]

47 minutes ago, mex said:

Not to reopen old wounds that never healed, but just as an FYI on how good we got it with Veach and Reid:

1983 Draft we took Todd Blackledge over:

Jim Kelly, Bills

Tony Eason, Pats

Ken O'Brien, Jets

Dan Marino, Phins

Gary Kubiak, Donks

SMMFH

 

It’s a good thing that none of those posers ever panned out.