Going in to 2015: Alex Smith or Kap?

[West 6,713]

I still keep Alex Smith....

 

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[MAUI 4,758]

Me too..,

[DieHard 2,061]

Absolutely. No question in my mind it's Smith.

[Mugsy 225]

Me too.

 

Alex over Kapernick, Geno Smith, Mariotta and the rest. We are lucky to have him.

[tges58 33]

Smith has more yards, more TDs(in two fewer games) less INTs and a better completion % the last two years.

 

Smith, easily.

[KCSLC2008 605]

Smith has more yards, more TDs(in two fewer games) less INTs and a better completion % the last two years.

 

Smith, easily.

I think both QBs will get somewhere between their 2014 and 2012 numbers efficiency-wise, which will be an improvement from 2014. Passer-rating wise, Smith had higher rating in both and Kaepernick had more rushing yards. YPA in 2012 was high for both QBs in 2012 and Kaepernick was higher in 2014 in YPA. TDs are about the same, INTs favor Smith, but both are good in that regard (just worse timing for Kaepernick).

[KCSLC2008 605]

http://rotoviz.com/2015/05/alex-smith-fantasy/?hvid=4rpGO

[PhataLerror 370]

Kaepernick was credited with 'putting the team on his back' in Super Bowl XLVII (after his sub-par play put his team in a hole in the first place). He's never had to carry his team. He will have to do that this year, as there are question marks in almost every aspect of their defense.

 

He's doomed.

 

Smith played with less last year, and produced more. Kaepernick is trade bait. The 49ers' loss has been the Chiefs' gain.

[dhitter 1,424]

Kaepernick was credited with 'putting the team on his back' in Super Bowl XLVII (after his sub-par play put his team in a hole in the first place). He's never had to carry his team. He will have to do that this year, as there are question marks in almost every aspect of their defense.

 

He's doomed.

 

Smith played with less last year, and produced more. Kaepernick is trade bait. The 49ers' loss has been the Chiefs' gain.

Well...yeah I kinda agree.

[Calichief 3,016]

Smith has more yards, more TDs(in two fewer games) less INTs and a better completion % the last two years.

 

Smith, easily.

All with less weapons

[kychief 239]

if the o-line holds up smith will explode this year...just watch..

 

but that line has to hold or he will dump off all day long..

[PhataLerror 370]

if the o-line holds up smith will explode this year...just watch..

 

but that line has to hold or he will dump off all day long..

I'm not inclined to believe that Smith's modus operandi will change: He will continue to choose the probable completion for the first down over the possible completion for a touchdown. With that said, he could push for thirty total touchdowns this season, and his completion rate and average yards per attempt could both see a big rise. We won't be seeing a 40 touchdown season, and I'm not inclined to expect even a 4,000 yard passing total.

 

You just don't need that to win either the small or the big games in the NFL.

[kychief 239]

well this has little todo with talent I suppose..

 

but judgement...class..face of the franchise???...

 

please!!!!!

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/26/kaepernick-makes-weird-remark-about-houston-flooding/

[kychief 239]

Kaepernick makes weird remark about Houston flooding

Posted by Mike Florio on May 26, 2015, 6:06 PM EDT

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At times, 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick has come off as sort of a goofball. Some thought that his public persona reflected the influence of former coach Jim Harbaugh, who came off as sort of a goofball more frequently.

Now that Harbaugh is gone, the question is whether Kaepernick will still come off as sort of a goofball at times. Today, the answer is yes.

Via Samer Kalaf of Deadspin, Kaepernick used a photo of the flooding in Houston as the backdrop for this message: “I warned you the #7tormsComing,” with a #Houston hashtag.

Kaepernick then regained his senses and deleted the Instagram version of the message. But he didn’t get rid of the corresponding Twitter entry. And then he added, “No disrespect intended! Prayers up!”

And then Kaepernick applied the foam to the faux pas with a shirtless photo of himself and this kernel of random inspiration: “Just livin! #WhoDoYouLove #IDontGetTired.”

The trio of messages likely makes many 49ers fans long for the days of Kaepernick showing up on Twitter wearing a Dolphins hat. And it possibly makes some 49ers fans long for the days when he won’t be wearing a 49ers helmet.

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San Fran is going to be kicking themselves for getting rid of Alex Smith in favor of Kaepernick. Their stats were close to even last year. I think Alex will be consistent, and benefit from a better surrounding cast than was dealt to him last season. Kaepernick may implode. 

[kychief 239]

checkout the numbers credited to smith in this article..

more  surprising for many here look at the 49er records he holds..wow.

 

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2015/05/27/kansas-city-chiefs-len-dawson-alex-smith/

[kychief 239]

checkout the numbers credited to smith in this article..

more  surprising for many here look at the 49er records he holds..wow.

 

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2015/05/27/kansas-city-chiefs-len-dawson-alex-smith/

 

 

When Kansas City Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was first introduced at the beginning of the 2013 offseason, he didn’t say anything about the quarterback position other than one goal he had set:

“The quarterback position, I’m going to dig in and look at that and we’ll build that thing. We’ll see how that whole thing builds out… I’ve got to find that next Len Dawson, doggone it.”

Coach Reid was referring to the Chiefs’ Hall of Fame quarterback and only Super Bowl winner, Len Dawson.

Reid also said that quarterback of the future could be on the roster already- with Matt Cassel, Brady Quinn and Ricky Stanzi rounding out the roster- which was and is a rather hilarious comment. 

In the ensuing offseason moves, Reid and fellow newcomer general manager John Dorsey cut Cassel, allowed Quinn to leave in free agency, and then cut Stanzi during preseason. So who would lead Kansas City in 2013?

That honor fell to Alex Smith, a 2005 first-overall pick coming over from the San Francisco 49ers in a trade for a pair of second-round picks.

Over Smith’s eight seasons in San Francisco, he experienced essentially zero continuity: five head coaches and seven offensive coordinators.

It was Smith’s seventh season in 2011- with new head coach Jim Harbaugh and offensive coordinator Greg Roman- that he first learned and implemented the West Coast offense. It was continuously remarked, noticed, and/or implied that Smith showed marked improvement, especially in his intangibles and leadership.

Although he had never consistently put up gaudy numbers like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, or Peyton Manning, Smith was credited with managing the game to victory. Smith began to show that he was capable of putting up Manning-style numbers and drives in his last two seasons, especially in the playoffs.

For Smith, 2012 was the first season San Francisco had the same head coach and offensive coordinator the whole campaign. After a Monday night against the Arizona Cardinals, in which Smith was 18-of-19 for 232 yards and three touchdowns, he was ranked third in the NFL in passer rating (104.1), led the league in completion percentage (70%) and was 19-5 under head coach Jim Harbaugh.

The following game against the Rams, Smith suffered a concussion, but didn’t come out until he threw a touchdown pass with blurry vision. He never regained the starting job, losing it to his promising backup – Colin Kaepernick.  Smith set multiple franchise records while with the San Francisco 49ers:

Most game winning drives in a single season: 6 (2011)

Most 4^th quarter comeback wins in a single season: 6 (2011)

Fewest interceptions in a single season: 5 in 2011 (16 starts)

Most consecutive pass attempts without an interception: 249 (previous record: 184, Steve Young)

Mind you, he set those records at a franchise that boasts two very well known, Hall-of-Fame quarterbacks in Steve Young and Joe Montana in its history.

In Smith’s first season as the quarterback of Kansas City, he orchestrated the biggest single-season turn around in franchise history. Many of the coaches and teammates said Smith has a very high football IQ and that his accuracy in passing was the best many had ever seen.

Matt Nagy, the quarterbacks coach for the Chiefs, said Smith is “super intelligent” and has all the intangibles that he looks for. Reid is well known for being a quarterback guru, and he loves Smith as a person and player.

In their first two seasons in Kansas City, Dorsey and Reid are the winningest administration in Chiefs history, all with Smith at the helm. That’s about all that can be said in a positive way for Smith, so lets move on to the backups.

Next: Diamonds in the rough?

[FANATIC 852]

Don't we end up with Kap anyway? SF QBs and KC our destiny?

[PhataLerror 370]

Don't we end up with Kap anyway? SF QBs and KC our destiny?

Barring injury to Smith, Kaepernick will rot in free agency before retiring from the NFL to pursue his baseball dreams all before Smith is out of the league.

[azchief21 5,278]

That's setting the bar pretty high. Kaepernick is capable of more physically but takes more chances and pays the price. Not a lot going on between the ears with that guy. Smith will throw for 5 when you need 7 and hope for the broken tackle. Kaepernick will throw for 30 when you need 7 and hope it doesn't get picked. I know Harbaugh is a douche but considered a good coach yet he got rid of Smith in favor of Kaepernick. Odd. Phatal, why do you think Harbaugh did this? Kaepernick's potential? Do you think he figured that Smith was Smith, he knew what he had but thought he could mold Kaepernick into a top tier QB?

[Calichief 3,016]

He drafted kap. Kap was harbaugh guy.

[KCSLC2008 605]

He drafted kap. Kap was harbaugh guy.

Yep, it was set up to replace him. Anything short of winning the Super Bowl and Smith would be gone, at least in time before Kaepernick's rookie deal expired. It was a reasonable expectation due to talent (2011 wasn't reasonable, but 2012 was), but unfortunately, due to a gameplan (Harbaugh was conservative, not just Smith, ran first with Luck at Stanford) that almost won the NFCC and two muffed punts, he didn't get that chance, despite our scoring the opponent for most of the game before the first punt, tying the game after the TD after the muffed punt. Then, he didn't get to take his team in 2012 playoffs.

 

Before someone mentions 2012 comebacks against Atlanta or running against Green Bay - defense won the Atlanta game, offense contributed to the deficit that might not have been there had Smith played and a gameplan oriented towards ball control and not opening three and outs. Green Bay is notable of screwing up on defense no matter who they play; they're lucky to have Rodgers and McCarthey who have also lost to Smith. They wouldn't have run as much with mobile enough Smith, but they would have take advantage of other strengths, which is not just avoiding INTs.

[FANATIC 852]

Year three in this system. Better receivers. A slightly improved o-line. Kelce !!!!!! Breakout year for Smith. This year he gets to drop the game manager title and play some BALL!

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Year three in this system. Better receivers. A slightly improved o-line. Kelce !!!!!! Breakout year for Smith. This year he gets to drop the game manager title and play some BALL!

hope so

[PhataLerror 370]

I know Harbaugh is a douche but considered a good coach yet he got rid of Smith in favor of Kaepernick. Odd. Phatal, why do you think Harbaugh did this? Kaepernick's potential? Do you think he figured that Smith was Smith, he knew what he had but thought he could mold Kaepernick into a top tier QB?

The answer is quite simple: In 2011, Jim Harbaugh was a first-year NFL Head Coach with enough experience in the NCAA to understand how to manage a team as a head coach needs to. He did an excellent job attracting X's and O's coaches to the 49ers, and put the entire franchise in the best position to succeed.

 

There was one area where Jim Harbaugh was completely disconnected from the reality of the NFL: He didn't understand how to balance the need for elite physical specimens of the sort that could dominate in collegiate athletics with the need for players that had demonstrated a high degree of football IQ. As a personnel evaluator he wasn't very good. We don't know yet the extent of Harbaugh's influence over some of the 49ers' draft picks or free agent signings, but Harbaugh made a point of getting the players that had beaten him in the NFL or in the NCAA: In 2012, the 49ers drafted LaMichael James out of Oregon (Harbaugh had head coached the Stanford Cardinal in that key loss), and also signed Brandon Jacobs and Mario Manningham from the Giants (both made subtle but important contributions in the Giants' 2011 NFC Conference Championship win over the 49ers); In 2013, the 49ers acquired Anquan Boldin in trade from the Ravens (said Boldin had a huge game against the 49ers but had a contract with a cap number the Ravens were unable to afford, and Boldin was unwilling to re-negotiate). It is absolutely known that Colin Kaepernick was Jim Harbaugh's pick in the 49ers' first draft after his hiring.

 

Harbaugh was enamored with Kaepernick's upside as demonstrated in his first two NFL starts, which never would have happened if not for Smith's mid-season injury. Kaepernick had absolutely lost the pre-season camp battle for starting quarterback, and it wasn't close. Harbaugh, with the aid of Offensive Coordinator Greg Roman, crafted a mis-direction based offense with a lot of short passes on simple routes that were easy to read and complete, and for a while, Kaepernick's throwing velocity paired with his speed in the open field made the whole offense click. Once better-coordinated defenses caught on to what the 49ers were doing, the defenses that weren't outclassed by the personnel found the weakness in the 49ers' game plans: It lost its advantages when players simply stuck to their assignments. The Rams, Seahawks, and Ravens were the first teams to successfully counter Kaepernick at the most fundamental level. More teams caught on during the 49ers' 2013 season, but a weak strength of schedule that included opponents from the NFC South and AFC South and multiple games against opposing offenses fielding second- and third-string quarterbacks concealed just how anemic the 49ers' offense had become.

 

Jim Harbaugh did with Colin Kaepernick what George Seifert did with Steve Young in 1993: Put his personal mark on the team by destroying the last vestige of continuity with the past by replacing the quarterback. As soon as Joe Montana was gone, no one could say the 49ers were former Head Coach Bill Walsh's team (even though Walsh himself acquired Young), and as soon as Alex Smith was gone, the 49ers irrevocably became Jim Harbaugh's team. Ultimately, Seifert won only one Super Bowl with Steve Young, and the likelihood is that the 49ers could have won more Super Bowls had they retained Joe Montana, a far more complete quarterback. Harbaugh on the other hand won zero Super Bowls before returning to the college ranks where his personnel evaluation abilities better suited the NCAA's small-pond nature.

 

Jim Harbaugh truly thought that Kaepernick was the best quarterback on the roster. History proves that he was wrong. Jim Harbaugh's exodus from the NFL allowed him to save face while the post-Smith trade 49ers franchise crashes and burns. He will return to the NFL soon after Kaepernick is forced into retirement, and from there he will press forward for the Super Bowl title he never could have obtained with Colin Kaepernick at the helm of his team. I have no question in my mind that whether or not Harbaugh regretted his trade of Smith, he realized that his best chance to win a league title with Kaepernick had been lost in 2012, and that Kaepernick's play was not going to improve in proportion to the pace at which defenses were taking away what Kaepernick could do.

 

So here we are in another chapter of Rearview Mirror Personnel Evaluation: Where the most devout of Kaepologists are increasingly forced into acknowledgment that Smith wasn't a bad quarterback, and ultimately, that Kaepernick wasn't a good quarterback.

 

Harbaugh's sin would have been forgivable if not for the special circumstances connected with Smith, who had given everything for a franchise that had done little to shield him from the damaging effects of inept coaches and general managers that stunted what could have otherwise been a Hall of Fame career. Smith had earned the right to start the first game following his clearing of the league's concussion protocol in week 12 of 2012. His honesty in reporting his symptoms became a warning for all players battling with the competing concerns that come with reporting or not reporting symptoms that may indicate a concussion. Therefore, Harbaugh, while damaging Smith most of all, and the 49ers' franchise second, damaged also an untold number of players who will in the future face serious health consequences because they concealed concussion-like symptoms to protect their position on the team.