I Believe THIS is the Chiefs O-Line

[Bilyous2 884]

He didn't really play last year.  Where he made a name for himself was taking over for an injured Brandon Albert at LT for 5 or 6 games awhile back.  There was not much drop off form Albert to Stephenson which says alot.  That is very impressive for a backup and made me think we had found a solid Tackle.

That must be what I remember.  He didn't seem to stand out to me.  Whatever happens, Reid's staff will make the best decision they can.  If Allen wins it at R tackle, it means he did better.  As you said, Allen didn't do well at guard, but he had little experience at guard.  All his college experience was at R and L tackle.  And he is further along in his development now.  Its quite possible that he is the best option at RT now.

[DieHard 2,061]

I will be rooting for someone to step up and take it.

[eraser 722]

La'el Collins would have been a nice fit at RT. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000509881/article/cowboys-rookie-collins-locked-in-pancakes-defender

[Bilyous2 884]

La'el Collins would have been a nice fit at RT. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000509881/article/cowboys-rookie-collins-locked-in-pancakes-defender

He may have been a star in the first preseason game for the Cowboys, but we sure don't need his baggage and ethics.  He'll be arrested and waived by Dallas eventually.  There is a reason he wasn't drafted. I like our pick. No more low lifes. We aren't the Raiders...or the Cowboys...or the Jets.  Your avatar says it all. LOL

[Bilyous2 884]

He didn't really play last year.  Where he made a name for himself was taking over for an injured Brandon Albert at LT for 5 or 6 games awhile back.  There was not much drop off form Albert to Stephenson which says alot.  That is very impressive for a backup and made me think we had found a solid Tackle.

Forgot about that.  You have a good point.  And I'm not talking about the top of your head.

[eraser 722]

He may have been a star in the first preseason game for the Cowboys, but we sure don't need his baggage and ethics.  He'll be arrested and waived by Dallas eventually.  There is a reason he wasn't drafted. I like our pick. No more low lifes. We aren't the Raiders...or the Cowboys...or the Jets.  Your avatar says it all. LOL

What did he do wrong. Correct me if I am mistaken, but he was only asked by the police to speak to them. He has no previous history with the police. He dated a girl, and that girl got killed by an ex boyfriend. The problem was it all happened before the draft, and no team was willing to take a risk. He was never charged. He was never thought of as a suspect. He wasn't even in the same town when it happened. The NFL could not detach it's butt from its head long enougGuh to think this one out. There should have been enough extenuating circumstances to allow him to go into the supplemental draft. That would have been the fair thing for all teams and the player. However, the NFL could not break with tradition. 

 

Lets talk about tradition. Roger Goodell made $74 million in the past two years, and is set to make another $40 million this year. His seven year contract, signed in 2012, will pay Goodell $308 Million over 7 years. Traditionally, the commissioner made much less money. Elmer Layden was paid $20 K per year. Bert Bell was the next commissioner of the NFL, and he was paid $20 K per year. Austin Gunsel was the third commissioner for the NFL, and he was paid $20 K to be the interim commissioner after the death of Bert Bell. Pete Rozelle pretty much changed the face of the NFL. He started out making the same as the previous three commissioners. His final contract paid him a bonus of $10,000, bringing his total income to $60,000 per year in 1962. Paul Tabliabue took over from Pete Rozelle in 1989, and his salary rose to a high of $8 M per year ( 2002 - 2006) . Roger Goodell took over for Tagliabue, and his salary escalated rapidly. Traditionally, commissioners have been paid far less than Goodell, and they have done a much better job. Maybe the NFL should revert Roger Goodell's salary to what it was traditionally in 1941. 

 

Dallas got to pick up Collins as an undrafted free agent because Roger Goodell could not react to the situation before the draft. 

[Bilyous2 884]

What did he do wrong. Correct me if I am mistaken, but he was only asked by the police to speak to them. He has no previous history with the police. He dated a girl, and that girl got killed by an ex boyfriend. The problem was it all happened before the draft, and no team was willing to take a risk. He was never charged. He was never thought of as a suspect. He wasn't even in the same town when it happened. The NFL could not detach it's butt from its head long enougGuh to think this one out. There should have been enough extenuating circumstances to allow him to go into the supplemental draft. That would have been the fair thing for all teams and the player. However, the NFL could not break with tradition. 

 

There is more to it than the murder of his ex-girlfriend by somebody, though she was pregnant with Collins' baby, which aroused suspicion. But you are right.  He was merely questioned and had a rock solid alibi.  The other issues have to do with his ethics.  He apparently frequented escorts, and at least one of them stepped forward and claimed that he refused to pay her for a blow job.  Whether he did frequent prostitutes at all is not the end of the world and certainly not uncommon.  But there were several reports of generally questionable and entitled behavior and aggressive disregard for others that surfaced which scared teams away. 

 

I don't know what your other paragraph was about regarding Goodell, etc.  It must have been a response to some other post, but it has nothing to do with La'el Collins.  Collins may turn out to be a great player for Dallas and end up an all-pro for years. But I suspect any success will lead him to more entitled behavior and moral questions and episodes that will eventually be his undoing in football. Failure in football could lead him to even worse things.  The Chiefs don't need any more of that.  I guess the Cowboys were willing to take a risk on him. Where there is smoke, there is fire.  Fine for them.  I'm glad we didn't draft him.

[FANATIC 852]

La'el Collins would have been a nice fit at RT. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000509881/article/cowboys-rookie-collins-locked-in-pancakes-defender

KC Blew it on this one. Character: You can not predict what any man may or may not do. Every team has their stories. The risk was so low it should have been taken. Our 7th round pick is unlikely to make the roster. KC needs to take some chances. After all this team has very little to lose. They won a play-off game when?

[Bilyous2 884]

KC Blew it on this one. Character: You can not predict what any man may or may not do. Every team has their stories. The risk was so low it should have been taken. Our 7th round pick is unlikely to make the roster. KC needs to take some chances. After all this team has very little to lose. They won a play-off game when?

If the Chiefs front office "blew it on this one" then why did every other single front office in the NFL "blow it on this one"?  He was picked up by Dallas as an undrafted free agent.  Now, Fanatic.  Think about this a little bit.  Are all of these teams just "stupid"?  These are all smart guys.  He was not drafted by any one of them, and they all have many staff members who explore character, interview people at their colleges, look at arrest records, and all the things that good organizations who are careful are supposed to do, and he did not pass muster with a single team.  Maybe he was worth taking a cheap risk on as an undrafted free agent, and Dallas got to him first for that.  Or maybe he simply CHOSE to take an offer from Dallas.  Maybe he has relatives there. It could be anything.  But it is silly of you to say that only the Chiefs were "stupid" because they didn't draft him and commit several years of money to him on a contract.  You are making a positive judgement on him based only on his innocence in his girlfriend's murder. Do you have any knowledge of whether he has DUI's?  The same thing that is keeping Sean Smith out for three games?  I didn't think so.

[oldtimer 8,686]

what Bil said

[FANATIC 852]

If the Chiefs front office "blew it on this one" then why did every other single front office in the NFL "blow it on this one"?  He was picked up by Dallas as an undrafted free agent.  Now, Fanatic.  Think about this a little bit.  Are all of these teams just "stupid"?  These are all smart guys.  He was not drafted by any one of them, and they all have many staff members who explore character, interview people at their colleges, look at arrest records, and all the things that good organizations who are careful are supposed to do, and he did not pass muster with a single team.  Maybe he was worth taking a cheap risk on as an undrafted free agent, and Dallas got to him first for that.  Or maybe he simply CHOSE to take an offer from Dallas.  Maybe he has relatives there. It could be anything.  But it is silly of you to say that only the Chiefs were "stupid" because they didn't draft him and commit several years of money to him on a contract.  You are making a positive judgement on him based only on his innocence in his girlfriend's murder. Do you have any knowledge of whether he has DUI's?  The same thing that is keeping Sean Smith out for three games?  I didn't think so.

Look up the definition of silly. I did not say stupid. I dont care what every other team did. Every other team passed on Wison too. Every other team makes lots of mistakes too.

 

Chiefs are one of the least successful franchises in NFL History. Dallas took a chance with a much better o=line than KC.. They have the same issues every team has. No guts no glory.

[Bilyous2 884]

Look up the definition of silly. I did not say stupid. I dont care what every other team did. Every other team passed on Wison too. Every other team makes lots of mistakes too.

 

Chiefs are one of the least successful franchises in NFL History. Dallas took a chance with a much better o=line than KC.. They have the same issues every team has. No guts no glory.

Its not a matter of "guts", Fanatic.  It is a matter of money.  These franchises are businesses.  Big businesses.  With rules, and with owners who can fire people.  A draftee must be signed to a three year contract, I believe.  And if he turns out to be a shit, and they kick him off the team, they still have to pay him or lose that amount in cap space, right?  That is why no team drafted him.  Money talks, Fanatic, and your claim of the Chiefs not having "guts" is silly, no matter which definition of "silly" you want to use.  I could have used some word more harsh, but I am trying to be cordial here.  That is really all that needs to be said.

[FANATIC 852]

Its not a matter of "guts", Fanatic.  It is a matter of money.  These franchises are businesses.  Big businesses.  With rules, and with owners who can fire people.  A draftee must be signed to a three year contract, I believe.  And if he turns out to be a shit, and they kick him off the team, they still have to pay him or lose that amount in cap space, right?  That is why no team drafted him.  Money talks, Fanatic, and your claim of the Chiefs not having "guts" is silly, no matter which definition of "silly" you want to use.  I could have used some word more harsh, but I am trying to be cordial here.  That is really all that needs to be said.

I could care less if you agree with me. Its a forum to express my opinion. Silly is insulting. So if insulting me was your goal?

[Bilyous2 884]

I could care less if you agree with me. Its a forum to express my opinion. Silly is insulting. So if insulting me was your goal?

I do all kinds of things that are silly.  Every day.  And I am not insulted by it.  Let me try again:  Making your statement about the Chiefs not drating Collins is either uninformed or naive.  Is that better? I hope so.  I don't want to have to get out my thesaurus for what I feel is a "silly" argument.

[FANATIC 852]

I do all kinds of things that are silly.  Every day.  And I am not insulted by it.  Let me try again:  Making your statement about the Chiefs not drating Collins is either uninformed or naive.  Is that better? I hope so.  I don't want to have to get out my thesaurus for what I feel is a "silly" argument.

If it helps you feel better about yourself .....great. Would not want you to google anything. Too much extra education can be draining.

 

dictionary.reference.com/browse/silly

Dictionary.com

weak-minded or lacking good sense; stupid or foolish: a silly writer. 2. absurd; ridiculous; irrational: a silly idea. 

 

Enjoy today's game. I dont use this forum to argue or convince people I know anything they dont know. I use it to post my opinion, sometimes vent and often learn from others.

[Bilyous2 884]

If it helps you feel better about yourself .....great. Would not want you to google anything. Too much extra education can be draining.

 

dictionary.reference.com/browse/silly

Dictionary.com

weak-minded or lacking good sense; stupid or foolish: a silly writer. 2. absurd; ridiculous; irrational: a silly idea. 

 

Enjoy today's game. I dont use this forum to argue or convince people I know anything they dont know. I use it to post my opinion, sometimes vent and often learn from others.

I am sorry if I sounded arrogant, Fanatic.  I apologize.  I was trying to explain something, but I know that can sound like being talked down to. It was not my intent. It is unfortunately my style, though. Being 67, I doubt that I can change much.

[KCSLC2008 606]

So we are pulling out the dictionary on this? If anyone wants to get all technical, it is "couldn't care less" not "could care less." If you could care less that means you care a little bit but if you couldn't care less that means you're at the very minimum of care.

[FANATIC 852]

So we are pulling out the dictionary on this? If anyone wants to get all technical, it is "couldn't care less" not "could care less." If you could care less that means you care a little bit but if you couldn't care less that means you're at the very minimum of care.

 

So we are pulling out the dictionary on this? If anyone wants to get all technical, it is "couldn't care less" not "could care less." If you could care less that means you care a little bit but if you couldn't care less that means you're at the very minimum of care.

The point was...... it was insulting.

[Bilyous2 884]

So we are pulling out the dictionary on this? If anyone wants to get all technical, it is "couldn't care less" not "could care less." If you could care less that means you care a little bit but if you couldn't care less that means you're at the very minimum of care.

 

Yes, I think "couldn't care less" is the expression.

 

I have found that I have no control over how other people feel.  I cannot even control how I feel.  The only thing I can control is my attitude and my actions, and that is very hard and takes a very long time.

[FANATIC 852]

I am sorry if I sounded arrogant, Fanatic.  I apologize.  I was trying to explain something, but I know that can sound like being talked down to. It was not my intent. It is unfortunately my style, though. Being 67, I doubt that I can change much.

Ok. Onward to cheering for KC today.

[Bilyous2 884]

Ok. Onward to cheering for KC today.

Now, that sounds wise and very un-silly.

[jetlord 10,209]

The Chiefs got Houston, a first round talent, in the third because they thought it was worth the risk.  They would have risked much less by spending a seventh round pick on Collins and maybe having a long term guard.  It still makes no sense to me to not take that chance.  Why didn't other teams do it?  I"m speculating that the commissioner passed down the word that NO team would draft Collins.  I"m probably just being silly.

[liquidfriend 1,151]

KC Blew it on this one. Character: You can not predict what any man may or may not do. Every team has their stories. The risk was so low it should have been taken. Our 7th round pick is unlikely to make the roster. KC needs to take some chances. After all this team has very little to lose. They won a play-off game when?

Well you really don't want to draft a murderer, as it doesn't make for good PR.

 

Teams didn't know what was going on with his situation at the time, so not really surprising 32 teams passed again and again.

 

Also didn't help that he and or his agent said they were gonna sit out the season and go into the draft again if he wasn't picked by Saturday.

[FANATIC 852]

Well you really don't want to draft a murderer, as it doesn't make for good PR.

 

Teams didn't know what was going on with his situation at the time, so not really surprising 32 teams passed again and again.

 

Also didn't help that he and or his agent said they were gonna sit out the season and go into the draft again if he wasn't picked by Saturday.

My opinion: Way too much upside with this guy to not take a chance. Not your typical OL. If he was, still no charges,  a thug you cut him. 7th round pick? You get control of the player. If he does not sign etc you really lost nothing. Chiefs had lots of picks. In fact they will likely cut some decent talent this year. So you risk only the 7th pick. Will our current #7 make this team? By the way...I dont see this team get much National PR anyway.

[KCSLC2008 606]

I am sorry if I sounded arrogant, Fanatic. I apologize. I was trying to explain something, but I know that can sound like being talked down to. It was not my intent. It is unfortunately my style, though. Being 67, I doubt that I can change much.

Wow, you wrote this? I must apologize to FANATIC, I thought he quoted a different post and edited what you said to say this. I thought, "how juvenile," but with precedence from others on message boards. Good thing I didn't think it my business to call him out for it. Sorry, FANATIC!