Calichief 3,016 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 If you want a franchise qb. Watch Goff. Stud Period Cal Bears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 If you want a franchise qb. Watch Goff. Stud Period Cal Bears Just what the Chiefs need: A quarterback that can be one of the best at the collegiate level, come into the NFL, and possibly progress to the point of being a legitimate starting quarterback. Actually, they have one that's been through that process, and who only needs what every legitimate starting quarterback needs: An offensive line, and a defense that doesn't give up 45 points in 22 minutes of possession. The Dog and Its Shadow Do you really want the Chiefs to do their best 2015 49ers impression? Then you would really want Goff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefensiveMan 758 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Let's go Chiefs!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 Just what the Chiefs need: A quarterback that can be one of the best at the collegiate level, come into the NFL, and possibly progress to the point of being a legitimate starting quarterback. Actually, they have one that's been through that process, and who only needs what every legitimate starting quarterback needs: An offensive line, and a defense that doesn't give up 45 points in 22 minutes of possession. The Dog and Its Shadow Do you really want the Chiefs to do their best 2015 49ers impression? Then you would really want Goff. I didn't say tank. I didn't say have him come right in and start. He's supremely talented. Be nice if we could draft him and let him grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Just what the Chiefs need: A quarterback that can be one of the best at the collegiate level, come into the NFL, and possibly progress to the point of being a legitimate starting quarterback. Actually, they have one that's been through that process, and who only needs what every legitimate starting quarterback needs: An offensive line, and a defense that doesn't give up 45 points in 22 minutes of possession. The Dog and Its Shadow Do you really want the Chiefs to do their best 2015 49ers impression? Then you would really want Goff. No just fire the coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCSLC2008 606 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I'm glad he lost that game. I don't like when quarterbacks get four or five interceptions and still win the game (Colts playoffs game comes to Mind). Also, if people want him, and believe that he has tools, they would want him to have bad games and a losing record so that maybe people above them would pass. And then they could trade up to get him. Not saying that there's a real chance that he drops, but if someone wants him, why would you want him to solidify his draft status? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I didn't say tank. I didn't say have him come right in and start. He's supremely talented. Be nice if we could draft him and let him grow. Who was the last highly-touted quarterback to fall a bit in the draft that went to a team with a solid quarterback that continued to start for sometime thereafter until the younger quarterback could grow into the position? After sorting the list of 2015 quarterbacks by pass attempts, here are some facts about the top-16 quarterbacks on that list: • 12 were first-round picks • 7 were first-overall picks (Matthew Stafford, Peyton Manning, Sam Bradford, Eli Manning, Alex Smith, Carson Palmer, and Jameis Winston) • 7 started their team's first regular season game following their selection in the draft • 12 started at least one game in their rookie year • 10 are still playing for the team that drafted them • 4 quarterbacks were promoted to starting quarterback in a season other than the one in which they were drafted (Ryan Mallett, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, and Tom Brady) The opening facts indicate just how rare it is that a quarterback that plays as a long-term starter gets a significant amount of time to grow into his position following his selection in the draft. The final fact is the one most damaging to your argument: Ryan Mallett was acquired by a team without an established starting quarterback through trade for what ended up being a seventh-round pick, and he is not seen as a long-term starter in the NFL; Philip Rivers was drafted early following Drew Brees' injury-marred third season (he went 2-9 as a starting quarterback in 2003), but Drew Brees put up solid performances in a 12-4 2004 season that assured Rivers would wait a little longer to start; a healthy Carson Palmer sat behind veteran quarterback Jon Kitna (who would go on to start 48 more games in a career that continued for nine seasons after that 2003 season with the Bengals); Tom Brady earned his promotion to starting quarterback through his quality play following a season-ending injury to Drew Bledsoe in 2001. It is rare that a quarterback comes into the league as an early draft pick, sits for a considerable amount of time behind a quality quarterback who can mentor him, and goes on to be a quality quarterback themselves. Ryan Mallett sat behind Tom Brady, which is about as good a mentor as one can have. Carson Palmer was drafted first-overall, and had Jon Kitna as a mentor, but Kitna in his sixteen-season career had an 0-1 record as a post-season starting quarterback, and it is debatable as to whether you could call Kitna a "quality" starting quarterback. Philip Rivers was drafted third overall, and got the mentoring of Drew Brees. Tom Brady was a backup to Drew Bledsoe, which is also a pretty nice way to start a career as an NFL quarterback. Of these quarterbacks, Mallett was drafted later than fourth-overall, but before the sixth round of the draft. Mallett may not make it in the NFL. He hasn't had many starts, and he hasn't started with a great team around him. I'm not arguing that the Chiefs shouldn't draft quarterbacks early in the draft. I also don't expect that a quarterback likely to be superior to Alex Smith will fall to the Chiefs in any upcoming draft. It would take the convergence of many negative things happening to the Chiefs for them to have a season bad enough to draft early. An injury to Smith could tip the scale there, but surely you're not wishing for that, and philosophically, that would negate your argument anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 Who was the last highly-touted quarterback to fall a bit in the draft that went to a team with a solid quarterback that continued to start for sometime thereafter until the younger quarterback could grow into the position? After sorting the list of 2015 quarterbacks by pass attempts, here are some facts about the top-16 quarterbacks on that list: • 12 were first-round picks • 7 were first-overall picks (Matthew Stafford, Peyton Manning, Sam Bradford, Eli Manning, Alex Smith, Carson Palmer, and Jameis Winston) • 7 started their team's first regular season game following their selection in the draft • 12 started at least one game in their rookie year • 10 are still playing for the team that drafted them • 4 quarterbacks were promoted to starting quarterback in a season other than the one in which they were drafted (Ryan Mallett, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, and Tom Brady) The opening facts indicate just how rare it is that a quarterback that plays as a long-term starter gets a significant amount of time to grow into his position following his selection in the draft. The final fact is the one most damaging to your argument: Ryan Mallett was acquired by a team without an established starting quarterback through trade for what ended up being a seventh-round pick, and he is not seen as a long-term starter in the NFL; Philip Rivers was drafted early following Drew Brees' injury-marred third season (he went 2-9 as a starting quarterback in 2003), but Drew Brees put up solid performances in a 12-4 2004 season that assured Rivers would wait a little longer to start; a healthy Carson Palmer sat behind veteran quarterback Jon Kitna (who would go on to start 48 more games in a career that continued for nine seasons after that 2003 season with the Bengals); Tom Brady earned his promotion to starting quarterback through his quality play following a season-ending injury to Drew Bledsoe in 2001. It is rare that a quarterback comes into the league as an early draft pick, sits for a considerable amount of time behind a quality quarterback who can mentor him, and goes on to be a quality quarterback themselves. Ryan Mallett sat behind Tom Brady, which is about as good a mentor as one can have. Carson Palmer was drafted first-overall, and had Jon Kitna as a mentor, but Kitna in his sixteen-season career had an 0-1 record as a post-season starting quarterback, and it is debatable as to whether you could call Kitna a "quality" starting quarterback. Philip Rivers was drafted third overall, and got the mentoring of Drew Brees. Tom Brady was a backup to Drew Bledsoe, which is also a pretty nice way to start a career as an NFL quarterback. Of these quarterbacks, Mallett was drafted later than fourth-overall, but before the sixth round of the draft. Mallett may not make it in the NFL. He hasn't had many starts, and he hasn't started with a great team around him. I'm not arguing that the Chiefs shouldn't draft quarterbacks early in the draft. I also don't expect that a quarterback likely to be superior to Alex Smith will fall to the Chiefs in any upcoming draft. It would take the convergence of many negative things happening to the Chiefs for them to have a season bad enough to draft early. An injury to Smith could tip the scale there, but surely you're not wishing for that, and philosophically, that would negate your argument anyway. I wasn't arguing anything. It would be nice to draft and develop our own guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 Who was the last highly-touted quarterback to fall a bit in the draft that went to a team with a solid quarterback that continued to start for sometime thereafter until the younger quarterback could grow into the position? After sorting the list of 2015 quarterbacks by pass attempts, here are some facts about the top-16 quarterbacks on that list: • 12 were first-round picks • 7 were first-overall picks (Matthew Stafford, Peyton Manning, Sam Bradford, Eli Manning, Alex Smith, Carson Palmer, and Jameis Winston) • 7 started their team's first regular season game following their selection in the draft • 12 started at least one game in their rookie year • 10 are still playing for the team that drafted them • 4 quarterbacks were promoted to starting quarterback in a season other than the one in which they were drafted (Ryan Mallett, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, and Tom Brady) The opening facts indicate just how rare it is that a quarterback that plays as a long-term starter gets a significant amount of time to grow into his position following his selection in the draft. The final fact is the one most damaging to your argument: Ryan Mallett was acquired by a team without an established starting quarterback through trade for what ended up being a seventh-round pick, and he is not seen as a long-term starter in the NFL; Philip Rivers was drafted early following Drew Brees' injury-marred third season (he went 2-9 as a starting quarterback in 2003), but Drew Brees put up solid performances in a 12-4 2004 season that assured Rivers would wait a little longer to start; a healthy Carson Palmer sat behind veteran quarterback Jon Kitna (who would go on to start 48 more games in a career that continued for nine seasons after that 2003 season with the Bengals); Tom Brady earned his promotion to starting quarterback through his quality play following a season-ending injury to Drew Bledsoe in 2001. It is rare that a quarterback comes into the league as an early draft pick, sits for a considerable amount of time behind a quality quarterback who can mentor him, and goes on to be a quality quarterback themselves. Ryan Mallett sat behind Tom Brady, which is about as good a mentor as one can have. Carson Palmer was drafted first-overall, and had Jon Kitna as a mentor, but Kitna in his sixteen-season career had an 0-1 record as a post-season starting quarterback, and it is debatable as to whether you could call Kitna a "quality" starting quarterback. Philip Rivers was drafted third overall, and got the mentoring of Drew Brees. Tom Brady was a backup to Drew Bledsoe, which is also a pretty nice way to start a career as an NFL quarterback. Of these quarterbacks, Mallett was drafted later than fourth-overall, but before the sixth round of the draft. Mallett may not make it in the NFL. He hasn't had many starts, and he hasn't started with a great team around him. I'm not arguing that the Chiefs shouldn't draft quarterbacks early in the draft. I also don't expect that a quarterback likely to be superior to Alex Smith will fall to the Chiefs in any upcoming draft. It would take the convergence of many negative things happening to the Chiefs for them to have a season bad enough to draft early. An injury to Smith could tip the scale there, but surely you're not wishing for that, and philosophically, that would negate your argument anyway. And I don't root for our guys to get hurt. Nor have I rooted against Alex smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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