DieHard 2,061 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Sorry if this is an old discussion, but right now with all that dead money coming off the books, I am curious what people think about which free agents to retain. S Eric Berry, I would have said let him go at the beginning of the season because I thought he was overrated and used like an undersized LB. Now he is playing really well. I think I would try to keep him but not break the bank. LB Derrick Johnson, I had doubts he could come back, but he has and played great once again. But he is 33. A Chiefs legend and one of my favorite players, but 33 is 33. It would have to be cheap and short. CB Sean Smith, Another guy I wave goodbye to in July. With the other question marks at CB and him being 28, I say pay the man for another 4 or 5 years. LG Jeff Allen, He has ayes better this year, but he better be cheap or bye. S Husan Abdullah, A pretty solid safety. I like him and Parker as deep safeties. Sign him if it's not crazy money. DT Jaye Howard, Pay the man. Do not let him leave town, period. He is the most valuable lineman we have. DT Powe, I don't see him listed. If he is a FA, I am only going to spend the money he will command if I can't sign Howard. QB Chase Daniel, let him go start somewhere. I am good with Murray as our #2. Money better spent elsewhere. I think he either starts for San Fran next year (they seem to love Mizzou players) or (more likely) he returns to NO and waits to take over for Brees. Either way, he will be successful. He is a baller. S Tyvon Branch, Cheap one year deal or bye. DE Mike DeVito, He is only depth for the future. A backup contract or let him walk. WR Jason Avant, Great mentor. He was critical for us until Mac arrived. Now there are younger horses (or will be next year) that need the spot in the stable. LB Frank Zombo, decent depth for a cheap price unless he blows up in Hiuston's absence. Sign him. LT Donald Stephenson,Thought he was a stud, but was wrong. League min ir close to it. Super soft and undependable. CB Jamell Fleming, I think he and Abdullah are both FS. They both have decent deep coverage skills but not much thump. I we resign Abdullah, bye. If we can't pay the man. Either way I would like to keep both at a cheap price, but I don't think that will happen. LB Dezman Moses and DE David King, ehh... Whatever. They won't make it through camp next year either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Kc picked up the option year on poe. FA in 2017. I like this list. Howard is the priority. I would keep sean smith, except someone will want to overpay him. Would love to keep abdullah but don't see us keeping him and berry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Sorry if this is an old discussion, but right now with all that dead money coming off the books, I am curious what people think about which free agents to retain. S Eric Berry, I would have said let him go at the beginning of the season because I thought he was overrated and used like an undersized LB. Now he is playing really well. I think I would try to keep him but not break the bank. LB Derrick Johnson, I had doubts he could come back, but he has and played great once again. But he is 33. A Chiefs legend and one of my favorite players, but 33 is 33. It would have to be cheap and short. CB Sean Smith, Another guy I wave goodbye to in July. With the other question marks at CB and him being 28, I say pay the man for another 4 or 5 years. LG Jeff Allen, He has ayes better this year, but he better be cheap or bye. S Husan Abdullah, A pretty solid safety. I like him and Parker as deep safeties. Sign him if it's not crazy money. DT Jaye Howard, Pay the man. Do not let him leave town, period. He is the most valuable lineman we have. DT Powe, I don't see him listed. If he is a FA, I am only going to spend the money he will command if I can't sign Howard. QB Chase Daniel, let him go start somewhere. I am good with Murray as our #2. Money better spent elsewhere. I think he either starts for San Fran next year (they seem to love Mizzou players) or (more likely) he returns to NO and waits to take over for Brees. Either way, he will be successful. He is a baller. S Tyvon Branch, Cheap one year deal or bye. DE Mike DeVito, He is only depth for the future. A backup contract or let him walk. WR Jason Avant, Great mentor. He was critical for us until Mac arrived. Now there are younger horses (or will be next year) that need the spot in the stable. LB Frank Zombo, decent depth for a cheap price unless he blows up in Hiuston's absence. Sign him. LT Donald Stephenson,Thought he was a stud, but was wrong. League min ir close to it. Super soft and undependable. CB Jamell Fleming, I think he and Abdullah are both FS. They both have decent deep coverage skills but not much thump. I we resign Abdullah, bye. If we can't pay the man. Either way I would like to keep both at a cheap price, but I don't think that will happen. LB Dezman Moses and DE David King, ehh... Whatever. They won't make it through camp next year either way. Damn you would suck as a GM. You would have shit canned the whole team.???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Let Sean Smith go and draft another CB early. Smith will be too expensive and Gaines should be back. Try to keep DJ. He's the heart of the defense and brings intangibles plus he should have several more good years in him. Gotta keep Howard and wouldn't mind DeVito if he can get healthy. Keep Berry and dump Avant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 Damn you would suck as a GM. You would have shit canned the whole team.???? I suck at many things. I am a Jack of all trades when it comes to sucking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCSLC2008 606 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 QB Chase Daniel, let him go start somewhere. I am good with Murray as our #2. Money better spent elsewhere. I think he either starts for San Fran next year (they seem to love Mizzou players) or (more likely) he returns to NO and waits to take over for Brees. Either way, he will be successful. He is a baller. I wonder, if he knew how everything would turn out (Smith getting extended and remaining throughout Daniel's contract as a starter, as well as New Orleans struggles) if he would have remained in New Orleans or if he would have taken the money here. I think the high backup money and being developed a bit by Reid couldn't hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Gotta keep Abdullah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kccrow 529 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I'll post more on this when I do my next mock. I put together an offseason plan at the Planet but I'm going to be making some small changes. Here it is: Started piecing together the numbers for my offseason plan. Here's my thoughts so far...Chiefs will "tender" all of their ERFAs at their veteran minimum. All should have 2 accrued seasons, but not certain on that.ERFAs:Demetrius Harris, TE - $600,000Frankie Hammond, WR - $600,000Charcandrick West, RB - $600,000Daniel Sorensen, SS - $600,000Nicholas Williams, 34DE - $600,000Total: $3,000,000Chiefs will sign the following veteran free agents to minimum deals:Jah Reid, OT - $760,000 + $50,000 roster bonus + 30,000 workout bonus = $840,000, veteran cap hit rules = $665,000Frank Zombo, 34OLB - $760,000 + $50,000 roster bonus + 30,000 workout bonus = $840,000, veteran cap hit rules = $665,000Husain Abdullah, FS - $760,000 + $50,000 roster bonus + 30,000 workout bonus = $840,000, veteran cap hit rules = $665,000Dezman Moses, 34OLB - $675,000Jason Avant, WR - $870,000 + $50,000 roster bonus + 30,000 workout bonus = $950,000, veteran cap hit rules = $665,000Total: $3,335,000Chiefs will re-sign the following free agents to multi-year deals:Eric Berry, SS - 5 year, 50.5 million deal with 22.5 million guaranteed. Contract model: Devin McCourty, NE. Cap numbers of 8.5, 10.5, 10, 11.5, and 10 million.Jaye Howard, 34DE - 4 year, 34 million deal with 13 million guaranteed.Contract model: Jurrell Casey, TEN. Cap numbers of 6.1, 8.4, 9.2, and 10.3 million.Derrick Johnson, ILB - 2 year, 8.7 million deal with 2 million guaranteed. Contract model: Daryl Smith, BAL (final 2 years). Cap numbers of 4.35 and 4.35 million.Jeff Allen, OG - 4 year, 17 million deal with 5 million guaranteed. Contract model: Shaun Lauvao, WAS. Cap numbers of 2.5, 4.5, 4.7, and 5.3 million.Total: $21,450,000Estimated Draft Selection Allocation: $7,000,000This would put the Chiefs at approximately $150,225,000. I'm estimating the cap will be 152 million, which would be 6% growth after 8.1 and 7.7% growth the past two seasons.Roster without draft picks:QB - Alex SmithQB - Tyler BrayQB - Aaron MurrayRB - Jamaal CharlesRB - Spencer WareRB - Charcandrick WestRB - De'Anthony ThomasRB - Knile DavisFB - Anthony ShermanTE - Travis KelceTE - James O'ShaughnessyTE - Brian ParkerTE - Demetrius HarrisWR - Jeremy MaclinWR - Albert WilsonWR - Chris ConleyWR - Frankie HammondWR - Jason AvantOT - Eric FisherOT - Curtis FeigtOT - Jah ReidOG - Ben GrubbsOG - Paul FanaikaOG - Jeff AllenOG - Zach FultonOG - Laurent Duvernay-TardiffOC - Mitch Morse34DE - Allen Bailey34DE - Jaye Howard34DE - Nick Williams34DE - Rakeem Nunez-Roches34NT - Dontari Poe34OLB - Justin Houston34OLB - Dee Ford34OLB - Frank Zombo34OLB - Dezman MosesILB - Derrick JohnsonILB - Josh MaugaILB - Ramik WilsonILB - DJ AlexanderILB - Justin MarchCB - Marcus PetersCB - Phillip GainesCB - Steven NelsonCB - Marcus CooperFS - Ron ParkerFS - Husain AbdullahSS - Eric BerrySS - Daniel Sorensen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Ugly WR LINEUP yuck Hopefully upgrade that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Grubbs and Fanaika will certainly be cut and the Chiefs have a lot of leeway in contract structuring to pop up space. Think they can make a run after a FA or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCSLC2008 606 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Ugly WR LINEUP yuck Hopefully upgrade that Liquidfriend was saying that while Smith will throw inaccurately deep and Wilson is fast, Wilson doesn't track the ball very well. That doesn't lend much confidence from the quarterback who doesn't like to risk things or waste plays. It's the quarterback's fault, too, but we do need the receivers after Maclin to be healthy, running routes well, and contributing. I posted this in the other thread, but this is a more appropriate spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I'll post more on this when I do my next mock. I put together an offseason plan at the Planet but I'm going to be making some small changes. Here it is: Started piecing together the numbers for my offseason plan. Here's my thoughts so far... Chiefs will "tender" all of their ERFAs at their veteran minimum. All should have 2 accrued seasons, but not certain on that. ERFAs: Demetrius Harris, TE - $600,000 Frankie Hammond, WR - $600,000 Charcandrick West, RB - $600,000 Daniel Sorensen, SS - $600,000 Nicholas Williams, 34DE - $600,000 Total: $3,000,000 Chiefs will sign the following veteran free agents to minimum deals: Jah Reid, OT - $760,000 + $50,000 roster bonus + 30,000 workout bonus = $840,000, veteran cap hit rules = $665,000 Frank Zombo, 34OLB - $760,000 + $50,000 roster bonus + 30,000 workout bonus = $840,000, veteran cap hit rules = $665,000 Husain Abdullah, FS - $760,000 + $50,000 roster bonus + 30,000 workout bonus = $840,000, veteran cap hit rules = $665,000 Dezman Moses, 34OLB - $675,000 Jason Avant, WR - $870,000 + $50,000 roster bonus + 30,000 workout bonus = $950,000, veteran cap hit rules = $665,000 Total: $3,335,000 Chiefs will re-sign the following free agents to multi-year deals: Eric Berry, SS - 5 year, 50.5 million deal with 22.5 million guaranteed. Contract model: Devin McCourty, NE. Cap numbers of 8.5, 10.5, 10, 11.5, and 10 million. Jaye Howard, 34DE - 4 year, 34 million deal with 13 million guaranteed. Contract model: Jurrell Casey, TEN. Cap numbers of 6.1, 8.4, 9.2, and 10.3 million. Derrick Johnson, ILB - 2 year, 8.7 million deal with 2 million guaranteed. Contract model: Daryl Smith, BAL (final 2 years). Cap numbers of 4.35 and 4.35 million. Jeff Allen, OG - 4 year, 17 million deal with 5 million guaranteed. Contract model: Shaun Lauvao, WAS. Cap numbers of 2.5, 4.5, 4.7, and 5.3 million. Total: $21,450,000 Estimated Draft Selection Allocation: $7,000,000 This would put the Chiefs at approximately $150,225,000. I'm estimating the cap will be 152 million, which would be 6% growth after 8.1 and 7.7% growth the past two seasons. Roster without draft picks: QB - Alex Smith QB - Tyler Bray QB - Aaron Murray RB - Jamaal Charles RB - Spencer Ware RB - Charcandrick West RB - De'Anthony Thomas RB - Knile Davis FB - Anthony Sherman TE - Travis Kelce TE - James O'Shaughnessy TE - Brian Parker TE - Demetrius Harris WR - Jeremy Maclin WR - Albert Wilson WR - Chris Conley WR - Frankie Hammond WR - Jason Avant OT - Eric Fisher OT - Curtis Feigt OT - Jah Reid OG - Ben Grubbs OG - Paul Fanaika OG - Jeff Allen OG - Zach Fulton OG - Laurent Duvernay-Tardiff OC - Mitch Morse 34DE - Allen Bailey 34DE - Jaye Howard 34DE - Nick Williams 34DE - Rakeem Nunez-Roches 34NT - Dontari Poe 34OLB - Justin Houston 34OLB - Dee Ford 34OLB - Frank Zombo 34OLB - Dezman Moses ILB - Derrick Johnson ILB - Josh Mauga ILB - Ramik Wilson ILB - DJ Alexander ILB - Justin March CB - Marcus Peters CB - Phillip Gaines CB - Steven Nelson CB - Marcus Cooper FS - Ron Parker FS - Husain Abdullah SS - Eric Berry SS - Daniel Sorensen We can do without Hammond and Avant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 I don't see how we get Abdullah to take league minimum. I like it though. I tend to think we are going to be seriously weak with only one corner next year. We are counting on Philip Gaines to be Sean Smith and not Sanders Comings. With just 8 career starts and coming off and ACL, I don't think you can let Smith walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kccrow 529 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I don't see how we get Abdullah to take league minimum. I like it though. I tend to think we are going to be seriously weak with only one corner next year. We are counting on Philip Gaines to be Sean Smith and not Sanders Comings. With just 8 career starts and coming off and ACL, I don't think you can let Smith walk. The Abduallah contract is going to be one of the tweaks. When I finish it I'll be sure to post it here right away. It is very doubtful the Chiefs will be able to re-sign all of DJ, Sean Smith, Eric Berry, and Jaye Howard unless they do some work with Charles' and Colquitt's contracts. Also, something that people keep bringing up over at the other place is Hali. Just so everyone is aware, he appears on the books at Over The Cap and Spotrac because he has Void years in his deal to spread out his signing bonus. He will be a free agent after the season. I expect him to retire, but if he doesn't then that is another guy the Chiefs would have to try and fit in. 34 million in cap space doesn't go very far when you have two guys likely to command 9 mil per contracts (Berry and Smith), two guys likely to bring 4 mil per (Allen and DJ), and one in the 5-6 per range (Howard), plus a draft class allocation of around 7 million, not to mention wanting to keep a buffer for movement with players during the season of around 3 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kccrow 529 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 We can do without Hammond and Avant. Absolutely, but remember this isn't a final 53 plan. This is guys I expect KC to sign and bring to camp with them. If I'm a betting man, both those guys are going to camp with KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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