azchief21 5,278 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I posted endlessly of my concerns about Tyreek Hill this spring concerning whether he might become a star, and then we would lose him to a repeat episode of abuse of a girlfriend. But I have to say, in terms of pure football, this guy is already a playmaker and just phenomenal to watch. Electrifying. He makes moves at full speed that just plain make me laugh. He leaves defenders sitting on their butt shaking their heads and looking embarrassed. And he has great hands. Very sure-handed catching the ball. I think we have found our Devin Hester. My son and I were talking about what a weapon he could be. Split him out in man to man and just run a streak down the sideline. Aren't many DBs that could keep up, if any. So they tried it but the ball was short and out of bounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefmania 22 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I guess I am not seeing the whole Gaines thing. He does do a good job covering, but he has cost us pretty big the last 2 weeks. PI when it should have never happened and then last week he missed a huge tackle on 3rd down that would have given us the ball with a chance to score and tie. Huge whiff on that one. I hope he is going to be a good shut down corner, but at this point I will take Peters all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 The guy has started a handful of games. Relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilyous2 884 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 The guy has started a handful of games. Relax. Yep. It takes awhile to learn that position and what to watch out for. That year out with the knee essentially makes him a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I posted endlessly of my concerns about Tyreek Hill this spring concerning whether he might become a star, and then we would lose him to a repeat episode of abuse of a girlfriend. But I have to say, in terms of pure football, this guy is already a playmaker and just phenomenal to watch. Electrifying. He makes moves at full speed that just plain make me laugh. He leaves defenders sitting on their butt shaking their heads and looking embarrassed. And he has great hands. Very sure-handed catching the ball. I think we have found our Devin Hester. I liked seeing Hill returning kicks instead of Davis, but he needs to learn that he can't always swing wide and outrun NFL coverage. Twice he gave up yardage and started the Chiefs in a hole. He'll learn and get better with coaching and experience. The Chiefs should get him more involved in the offense as a receiver IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefensiveMan 758 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I liked seeing Hill returning kicks instead of Davis, but he needs to learn that he can't always swing wide and outrun NFL coverage. Twice he gave up yardage and started the Chiefs in a hole. He'll learn and get better with coaching and experience. The Chiefs should get him more involved in the offense as a receiver IMHO. I think they should rotate on kick-returns. Davis, is a straight-line runner and good in KO returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilyous2 884 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I liked seeing Hill returning kicks instead of Davis, but he needs to learn that he can't always swing wide and outrun NFL coverage. Twice he gave up yardage and started the Chiefs in a hole. He'll learn and get better with coaching and experience. The Chiefs should get him more involved in the offense as a receiver IMHO. That exactly what has been bothering me about our fast punt returners for several years. Young fast guys always think they can run around the coverage, and they can't in the NFL. Half the time, they end up running backwards. It is just an instinct. It must be unnerving to see big guys running at high speed directly at you. I can see why they would instinctively try to run sideways, but the guys on the outside are just too quick. I just have to grit my teeth and partially cover my eyes when I see them do that. If Hill can learn that he can't do that in the NFL, it would be excellent. DAT never learned it. McCluster never did and could be brought down with someone sticking their pinkie out. Hill is pretty strong and needs to be actually tackled. Instinct is hard to overcome. It takes huge mental discipline...more than he showed with his girlfriend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WichitaZRide 321 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I guess I am not seeing the whole Gaines thing. He does do a good job covering, but he has cost us pretty big the last 2 weeks. PI when it should have never happened and then last week he missed a huge tackle on 3rd down that would have given us the ball with a chance to score and tie. Huge whiff on that one. I hope he is going to be a good shut down corner, but at this point I will take Peters all day. Think of it this way....in the 113 snaps that Gaines was on the field for the last two weeks, you can only think of two times that he cost us big. Granted, there were other plays...passes improperly defensed, potential missed run tackles in his direction, ect, but by your description he had a 98% success rate. That's doesn't sound bad to me...he also forced the fumble that Eric Murray recovered...everyone seems to forget that... We just have a tendency to only remember the bad and not the good...i'm guilty of it myself...what i do remember is that the Jets had only 188 yards of allowed passing yards and I just don't recall Gaines being responsible for any more of it than anyone else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azchief21 5,278 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I was pretty impressed with the DBs overall considering there was little pressure on Zack Galifinakis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilyous2 884 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Think of it this way....in the 113 snaps that Gaines was on the field for the last two weeks, you can only think of two times that he cost us big. Granted, there were other plays...passes improperly defensed, potential missed run tackles in his direction, ect, but by your description he had a 98% success rate. That's doesn't sound bad to me...he also forced the fumble that Eric Murray recovered...everyone seems to forget that... We just have a tendency to only remember the bad and not the good...i'm guilty of it myself...what i do remember is that the Jets had only 188 yards of allowed passing yards and I just don't recall Gaines being responsible for any more of it than anyone else... Exactly. And I am also basing it on just watching him cover guys and seeing clips of it later. He is practically stuck to them without using his hands and drawing interference penalties. When the good, fast wide receivers instantly change directions to cause separation, he follows them exactly, maintaining the speed the fastes receivers have and never allowing more than a few feet of separation, which usually quickly closes before the ball gets there. I think his skills as a cover corner are pretty astonishing. He doesn't get knocked away very easily in the first 10 yards off the line. He is only going to get better as he learns how to prep with film of QB's and receivers and with coaching up the little things like turning his head more, reading the QB's eyes, blocking for other receivers and RB's and TE's who have the ball, etc. Basically he is a rookie who is already playing like the better cover corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Gaines will stay solid if he stays healthy. He needs to work on getting his head around. Those PI's probably are not called if he does that. All in all, I am fine with his play so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 One of them should of never ever been called, as that ball sailed well out of bounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 One of them should of never ever been called, as that ball sailed well out of bounds. Raiders should be 1-2. Because of a non call on that shit. First game Carr sails one over cooper by 10 yards and they call a BS PI... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefmania 22 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 I guess I misunderstood the whole post then. My impression was the post said that he was lights out and the best corner on the team. My personal impression is that he is good in coverage, but not that great a tackler. Like I said, I will take Peters all day long over Gaines. That does not mean that I do not like Gaines. I definitely am glad we have him, but he still has a ways to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Well said. I agree completely. Better than Peters is lunacy at this point. I don't get the lack of love for Peters. He is not only the best on the team, but one of the best in the league. He led the league last year and he is leading the league this year. What's a guy got to do? Gaines had a tough game on Sunday. No doubt. It's OK to admit that. It doesn't mean we don't like him. It just means he had a tough game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilkie 1,518 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Watched the game again. Gaines is NOT a good tackler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Watched the game again. Gaines is NOT a good tackler. but then how many DB's really are??..they all think that they are PrimeTime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilkie 1,518 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Berry. Rea vis. Thomas Lott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Berry. Rea vis. Thomas Lott well Berry is a Safety aka small LB so they dont count and you mentioned 2 out of how many DB's in the league? Reavis WAS great. I'd say he's average now..got hurt trying to make an arm tackle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCSLC2008 606 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Was the deep pass right before half on the right side line against Revis? It was well defended, but Maclin got one or both hands on it I think. Then, the pass after that also hit Maclin in both hands but wasn't a good defensive play. Was that against Revis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Gaines looks solid so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefmania 22 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I am excited about our 2 young corners. I would assume that Gaines will keep getting better as will Peters. I also like the other young DB's that we have. I am sure there will be frustrating games this year, but the future looks bright for our backfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Future looks awesome at corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Future looks awesome at corner and expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilyous2 884 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 and expensive Yep. You don't get a Super Bowl for cheap. You can make a profit in KC with cheap, but not a Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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