SEMO 6,811 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 Indy is just wasting his talent by not fielding anything resembling an NFL offensive line. Denver just pummeled him today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Indy is just wasting his talent by not fielding anything resembling an NFL offensive line. Denver just pummeled him today. Their defense is dog shit too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Ol Irsay must of been drunk and pill'd out of his mind when he decided to keep Grigson and Pagano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoStud 3,253 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 The Denver defense is stout, back to back weeks of knocking two elite and mobile QBs silly... In Elway we trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I wouldn't really call Luck an elite QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,208 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I wouldn't really call Luck an elite QB. I would, but there's nothing to support him. No QB can look good without a supporting cast. Lots of QB's succeed when the rest of the team is good. Look at all the rookies and replacements who have been winning games this year. DEN, DFW, PHL, MIN, are examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 I would, but there's nothing to support him. No QB can look good without a supporting cast. Lots of QB's succeed when the rest of the team is good. Look at all the rookies and replacements who have been winning games this year. DEN, DFW, PHL, MIN, are examples.Bullshit. He's got plenty of options at WR and while Gore is old, he can still be effective. There are some decent players on that line, too. He's playing all shook and not making very good decisions with the football. You're living off his NCAA hype. The Jqguars really weren't making life hard for him today and he checked it down left and right. He's scared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,685 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 He'll be elite. I discount all the foreign games..they are abomination. Altho I watched very little on a crucial short yardage situation when Gore was a no brainier he was on the bench and an incomplete but catchable pass was thrown. HiIs supporting cast is in no way what Peyton had..from Coach on down Liquid are you trying to tell me you wouldn't trade Luck for Smith straight across? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 He'll be elite. I discount all the foreign games..they are abomination. Altho I watched very little on a crucial short yardage situation when Gore was a no brainier he was on the bench and an incomplete but catchable pass was thrown. HiIs supporting cast is in no way what Peyton had..from Coach on down Liquid are you trying to tell me you wouldn't trade Luck for Smith straight across? Why would you ask such an absurd question? I never said Luck can't be elite or it's all on him. I'm just saying that he's not playing "elite" and he's got more help than some people realize. Sure Pagano sucks, Grigson is a dipshit and Irsay is a pill popping idiot..but the 9 dollar figure man needs to produce. He's not playing very well and really his production has been pretty pedestrian overall in his career. I'd always take the upside with Luck, but I can't really argue for him over Alex if going purely on current performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,685 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Why would you ask such an absurd question? I never said Luck can't be elite or it's all on him. I'm just saying that he's not playing "elite" and he's got more help than some people realize. Sure Pagano sucks, Grigson is a dipshit and Irsay is a pill popping idiot..but the 9 dollar figure man needs to produce. He's not playing very well and really his production has been pretty pedestrian overall in his career. I'd always take the upside with Luck, but I can't really argue for him over Alex if going purely on current performance. gotcha..he could be elite but he's not playing Elite..ok Even the "elite" Qbs have down years and your statement that Pagano sucks, Grigson is a dipshit and Irsay is a pill popping idiot. altho not arguable in my book gives him a pass at least for this year. He's stuck in Indy bless his heart and will probably be more of a Marino than an Elway or Manning at the end of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 I'd say if we're gonna consider him elite, he needd to overcome some of this stuff. He had a nice game week 1, but it's been a rarity lately and I do wonder if the Colts have done irreplaceable damage to him. He had unbelievable potential coming out of Stanford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoStud 3,253 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 The guy, in my opinion, that has gone from "good" to "elite" is Matt Ryan. He is playing ridiculous football right now. He's putting up Kurt Warner type numbers right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,685 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Hey Stubby.. good seeing ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoStud 3,253 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 You too sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omahacolt 208 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I wouldn't really call Luck an elite QB. you would be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omahacolt 208 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Bullshit. He's got plenty of options at WR and while Gore is old, he can still be effective. There are some decent players on that line, too. He's playing all shook and not making very good decisions with the football. You're living off his NCAA hype. The Jqguars really weren't making life hard for him today and he checked it down left and right. He's scared. this is absurd and also very wrong he is playing like one of the best qbs in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omahacolt 208 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Why would you ask such an absurd question? I never said Luck can't be elite or it's all on him. I'm just saying that he's not playing "elite" and he's got more help than some people realize. Sure Pagano sucks, Grigson is a dipshit and Irsay is a pill popping idiot..but the 9 dollar figure man needs to produce. He's not playing very well and really his production has been pretty pedestrian overall in his career. I'd always take the upside with Luck, but I can't really argue for him over Alex if going purely on current performance. another ridiculous post. you sure did rack them up here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 He's had one full season that would be considered "good" A lot of his stats are chalked filled with many attempts vs a shit division and over 600 attempts. He's racked em up against some bad Defenses, but many QB's that aren't Alex Smith are going to rack em up against bad Defenses. Sorry you guys didn't exactly fall into Peyton Manning, twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 But shit hey wheel out the trophy because he passed it around on the vaunted Lions and Bears Defenses and powerhouse Jacksonville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omahacolt 208 Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 He's had one full season that would be considered "good" A lot of his stats are chalked filled with many attempts vs a shit division and over 600 attempts. He's racked em up against some bad Defenses, but many QB's that aren't Alex Smith are going to rack em up against bad Defenses. Sorry you guys didn't exactly fall into Peyton Manning, twice. every season other than last year has been very good. the colts are a very untalented team. look at how many times the defense has given up 30 points since 2012. stats don't always tell the whole story. if a player has to be as good as peyton manning to be considered a success, then there will never be a successful qb. there is a growing dialogue in the media about luck not being as good as advertised but it is stupid. he is a very good, sometimes elite, playing on a very bad team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West 6,713 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 I am a big Luck fan.... Smart & Tough kid with a ton of talent. If you are a GM and you could pick any QB to build around for the next 8-10 years, he is in my top 2-3 picks. w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azchief21 5,278 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 I am a big Luck fan.... Smart & Tough kid with a ton of talent. If you are a GM and you could pick any QB to build around for the next 8-10 years, he is in my top 2-3 picks. w He would tear it up with the talent we have on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 He would tear it up with the talent we have on offense. Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 every season other than last year has been very good. the colts are a very untalented team. look at how many times the defense has given up 30 points since 2012. stats don't always tell the whole story. if a player has to be as good as peyton manning to be considered a success, then there will never be a successful qb. there is a growing dialogue in the media about luck not being as good as advertised but it is stupid. he is a very good, sometimes elite, playing on a very bad team. I think he's a good QB, even if I said he's overrated, but he also has some noticeable flaws. Has some issues deciphering what a Defense is doing and also has a tendency to hold onto the ball for far too long at times, which ieaves his Line hanging. Those issues can be fixed through better coaching, at least. That staff probably ain't going to get it done though. He needs to figure out how Stafford is getting it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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