Early 2017 mock

[KC Warpaint 3,235]

Walterfootball does a 2018 draft forecast. It is pretty much a waste of time. However, it is interesting their most recent mock for 2018 shows KC moving up, and taking Josh Allen with the ninth pick in the draft.

Kansas City Chiefs: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming

2017 NFL Mock Draft Pick (as of 2/8): Charles Harris, DE/OLB

 

It took a while, but Kansas City supporters are finally souring on Alex Smith. It's only a matter of time before the Chiefs do so themselves.

 

Josh Allen projects as a potential first-round signal-caller. He has a big arm and can scramble pretty well, but he needs to work on his accuracy next year.

 

 

The 2017 draft is thick with DT/NT, and LB. Next year Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, Lamar Jackson, Jake Browning, Luke Falk, Mason Rudolph, and Tanner Mangum may be in the draft. If so, it will be one of the best drafts for quarterbacks in a long time.

 

Phatal is coming for you E

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"Next years class is gonna be better" -chiefs fans every winter

Timing is everything. I know you, and many others feel the Chiefs do not draft quarterbacks. However, this is a different group, and we need to give them the freedom to build this team. They are different than the past.

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Phatal is coming for you E

I am prepared. My point is the Chiefs should be able to negotiate a transition with Alex Smith. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/alex-smith-3337/ As the link indicates, Alex Smith has just one more year on his contract, and the Chiefs will save $17 M if they decide to part with Smith next season. Alex Smith is 32, so it make sense he may want to lengthen his contract a couple of years. That would give the Chiefs time to develop a successor. The Chiefs are in a powerful position.

[KCSLC2008 606]

I am prepared. My point is the Chiefs should be able to negotiate a transition with Alex Smith. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/alex-smith-3337/ As the link indicates, Alex Smith has just one more year on his contract, and the Chiefs will save $17 M if they decide to part with Smith next season. Alex Smith is 32, so it make sense he may want to lengthen his contract a couple of years. That would give the Chiefs time to develop a successor. The Chiefs are in a powerful position.

The Chiefs are in a powerful position if Smith cares about money. I'm not sure if he does at this point. It all depends on whether he can get a starting job elsewhere. Obviously, right now, if it were "start this year and have a longer contract," it might. But if it is "cut next year or stay here to mentor from the bench," it depends on more things than just money. So nothing would be done until after the draft, but that was a given anyway. Is Foles' option before the draft?

[jetlord 10,209]

From Duce Staley, to Brian Westbrook, to LeSean McCoy, to Jamaal Charles. Andy Reid always gets his running back.

There's a pretty good RB coming out of Wyoming that the Chiefs might get in the third.

[oldtimer 8,687]

The Chiefs are in a powerful position if Smith cares about money. I'm not sure if he does at this point. It all depends on whether he can get a starting job elsewhere. Obviously, right now, if it were "start this year and have a longer contract," it might. But if it is "cut next year or stay here to mentor from the bench," it depends on more things than just money. So nothing would be done until after the draft, but that was a given anyway. Is Foles' option before the draft?

 

 

 March 9th it appears..same time Chiefs have to decide on whether to Franchise Berry or what. Thats the start of the 2017 league "year"

[azchief21 5,278]

Smith has had 4 fulls years as a starter with very little playoff success and we have nobody in line to replace him. Leads me to believe that if we are one and done next year then the organizational plan would to just go get the "best" available FA QB on the market for 2018. And by "best" available I mean wasn't good enough for his current team  

[oldtimer 8,687]

Smith has had 4 fulls years as a starter with very little playoff success and we have nobody in line to replace him. Leads me to believe that if we are one and done next year then the organizational plan would to just go get the "best" available FA QB on the market for 2018. And by "best" available I mean wasn't good enough for his current team  

 

 

until the team does something in this off season to  show that they are serious about making a big push to go the SB  I think being 1 n done next year might be a bit optimistic. We cant count on Carr getting hurt but we can count of the Raiders getting better and I dont trust Smellway..he's got something up his sleeve.

[liquidfriend 1,151]

Timing is everything. I know you, and many others feel the Chiefs do not draft quarterbacks. However, this is a different group, and we need to give them the freedom to build this team. They are different than the past.

This group so far has been more or less the same as the rest when it has come to the QB position.

 

Do I think Dorsey really is Pioli? No, but facts are facts and he hasn't actually thrown down yet.

 

until the team does something in this off season to  show that they are serious about making a big push to go the SB  I think being 1 n done next year might be a bit optimistic. We cant count on Carr getting hurt but we can count of the Raiders getting better and I dont trust Smellway..he's got something up his sleeve.

Horseface can have whatever he wants up his sleeve, but the Broncos are going to take a step back.

 

Right now the Chiefs ceiling is a WildCard round win if they face a Brian Hoyer. They were on pace to replicate it if Carr didn't go down.

[jetlord 10,209]

This group so far has been more or less the same as the rest when it has come to the QB position.

 

Do I think Dorsey really is Pioli? No, but facts are facts and he hasn't actually thrown down yet.

 

Horseface can have whatever he wants up his sleeve, but the Broncos are going to take a step back.

 

Right now the Chiefs ceiling is a WildCard round win if they face a Brian Hoyer. They were on pace to replicate it if Carr didn't go down.

PIT and NE were just better teams than the Chiefs this year.  Yeah, they should have scored more in Arrowhead, but it's not as easy when the opposition is rushing for 150+ yards.  I've never claimed Smith was a top tier QB, but there's a lot of other reasons that the Chiefs didn't win the playoff game this year.  The Chiefs were better than MIA, HOU, or OAK, but if they weren't playing in Arrowhead, PIT would have killed them.

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PIT and NE were just better teams than the Chiefs this year.  Yeah, they should have scored more in Arrowhead, but it's not as easy when the opposition is rushing for 150+ yards.  I've never claimed Smith was a top tier QB, but there's a lot of other reasons that the Chiefs didn't win the playoff game this year.  The Chiefs were better than MIA, HOU, or OAK, but if they weren't playing in Arrowhead, PIT would have killed them.

The Chiefs lost much of their defense prior to their playoff game at Arrowhead. Starters, Bailey -DL, Howard -DL, D. Johnson - WILB, Mauga - SILB, Charles - RB, and Ehinger - LG were lost for the season. Four key players on defense lost were key to KC's rush defense. Two key players on the offense were keys to KC's rush offense. Pittsburgh lost Bell for a few games, and Ladarious Green - part time TE for the remainder of the season. They also lost Martavis Bryant due to NFL substance abuse policy.

 

The Chiefs have been decimated by injuries, and yet they continued to be successful. True, teams must learn to deal with injuries, and injuries affect every team. However, the Chiefs had more than their share, dealt with it, and came within an incomplete pass from playing New England for the AFC title.

 

The Chiefs aren't that far off. There has been change. We got that change when Andy Reid, and John Dorsey came to town.

 

Back to the draft... the Chiefs need depth. They need eventual replacements for older players such as Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, and maybe Alex Smtih. They may need a NT, if Poe signs elsewhere. I believe Eric Berry will either be signed to a long contract or be franchised again. However, the Chiefs may also have to look for a replacement at SS.

[DefensiveMan 758]

Trade DAT.

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Trade DAT.

No value. It wouldn't surprise me if the Chiefs tried to draft another return specialist, and released DAT. As we saw last fall, the Chiefs took some of the returns off Tyreek Hill, when he became a bigger part of the offense. Unfortunately, DAT was a big drop off in talent.

[DefensiveMan 758]

The Chiefs lost much of their defense prior to their playoff game at Arrowhead. Starters, Bailey -DL, Howard -DL, D. Johnson - WILB, Mauga - SILB, Charles - RB, and Ehinger - LG were lost for the season. Four key players on defense lost were key to KC's rush defense. Two key players on the offense were keys to KC's rush offense. Pittsburgh lost Bell for a few games, and Ladarious Green - part time TE for the remainder of the season. They also lost Martavis Bryant due to NFL substance abuse policy.

 

The Chiefs have been decimated by injuries, and yet they continued to be successful. True, teams must learn to deal with injuries, and injuries affect every team. However, the Chiefs had more than their share, dealt with it, and came within an incomplete pass from playing New England for the AFC title.

 

The Chiefs aren't that far off. There has been change. We got that change when Andy Reid, and John Dorsey came to town.

 

Back to the draft... the Chiefs need depth. They need eventual replacements for older players such as Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, and maybe Alex Smtih. They may need a NT, if Poe signs elsewhere. I believe Eric Berry will either be signed to a long contract or be franchised again. However, the Chiefs may also have to look for a replacement at SS.

I think Budda Baker's underrated. Could fall to us for SS help.

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I think Budda Baker's underrated. Could fall to us for SS help.

Baker is an undersized FS. At 5'10"  and 180 lbs, he is more of a Bob Sanders type player. I like his attitude, but size matters at the NFL level. Even if he can tackle at the NFL level, his body will not hold up.

[jetlord 10,209]

No value. It wouldn't surprise me if the Chiefs tried to draft another return specialist, and released DAT. As we saw last fall, the Chiefs took some of the returns off Tyreek Hill, when he became a bigger part of the offense. Unfortunately, DAT was a big drop off in talent.

Hill should run back kickoffs no matter his role as a WR.  Face it, a low percentage of K.O.s are returned and Hill wouldn't take that much of a beating.  So he sits out a few plays after a run back.  The upside is a few good returns and the downside is Wilson, Maclin, and Conley carrying the WR load for a couple more plays.

[liquidfriend 1,151]

PIT and NE were just better teams than the Chiefs this year.  Yeah, they should have scored more in Arrowhead, but it's not as easy when the opposition is rushing for 150+ yards.  I've never claimed Smith was a top tier QB, but there's a lot of other reasons that the Chiefs didn't win the playoff game this year.  The Chiefs were better than MIA, HOU, or OAK, but if they weren't playing in Arrowhead, PIT would have killed them.

I think the Chiefs were better than the Steelers, they just shit their pants 2 for 2.

 

Nobody is saying the problem is just Smith, but Alex D. Smith is large part of the pie as to what is wrong.

[ATLchief 3,126]

Christ, every fucking thread in CTO turns into "Smith is the cause of all bad things   vs.  Smith would be Tom Brady if he just had a decent supporting cast."

 

The Locker Room has actually become a more sane place for rational discourse.

[DieHard 2,061]

Hill should run back kickoffs no matter his role as a WR. Face it, a low percentage of K.O.s are returned and Hill wouldn't take that much of a beating. So he sits out a few plays after a run back. The upside is a few good returns and the downside is Wilson, Maclin, and Conley carrying the WR load for a couple more plays.

I like him returning. I am always surprised Brown returns do many. You have to have some serious stones to put Antonio Brown on special teams.

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Christ, every fucking thread in CTO turns into "Smith is the cause of all bad things   vs.  Smith would be Tom Brady if he just had a decent supporting cast."

 

The Locker Room has actually become a more sane place for rational discourse.

I think most people would just recognize the QB position for what it is and move on, except one person feels content on spreading the gospel of checking down.

[Calichief 3,016]

I think most people would just recognize the QB position for what it is and move on, except one person feels content on spreading the gospel of checking down.

Lol

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Christ, every fucking thread in CTO turns into "Smith is the cause of all bad things   vs.  Smith would be Tom Brady if he just had a decent supporting cast."

 

The Locker Room has actually become a more sane place for rational discourse.

My point is Smith is serviceable until the Chiefs locate or develop a better option. He is definitely flawed. IMO, he is between the 16 to 11th best player at his position. Is he good enough? Probably not. However, teams probably should not cut their nose off to spite their face. His contract is not yet outlandish, and the Chiefs could do a lot worse. If they renegotiate his contract, he may be able to keep this current team competitive until the next guy up can take the reigns.

 

Normally, a 32 year old veteran QB has exhibited all the traits necessary to determine if he has any residual talent that is untapped. Smith is who we think he is. He isn't going to get much better, and he probably will not fall off that much either. He is predictable. Can that win a Super Bowl? Most likely not. However, jumping ship to a worse option will destroy this team.

[SEMO 6,811]

There are 4 QBs in this draft that could possibly supplant Smith:

 

Trubinsky

Mahomes

Watson

Kizer

 

In that order.

 

KC would have to trade up for any of them. I don't see it happening. They could have traded up just a few spots last year for Lynch and Dorsey didn't pull the trigger. Mahomes will not get past Houston and I wouldn't take Kizer or Watson until the 2nd. They will be overdrafted by QB needy teams, though in round 1.

[azchief21 5,278]

My point is Smith is serviceable until the Chiefs locate or develop a better option. He is definitely flawed. IMO, he is between the 16 to 11th best player at his position. Is he good enough? Probably not. However, teams probably should not cut their nose off to spite their face. His contract is not yet outlandish, and the Chiefs could do a lot worse. If they renegotiate his contract, he may be able to keep this current team competitive until the next guy up can take the reigns.

 

Normally, a 32 year old veteran QB has exhibited all the traits necessary to determine if he has any residual talent that is untapped. Smith is who we think he is. He isn't going to get much better, and he probably will not fall off that much either. He is predictable. Can that win a Super Bowl? Most likely not. However, jumping ship to a worse option will destroy this team.

We have been saying this so long, the Chiefs ought to put this on the wall above the tunnel out to the field. After 47 years, it's the Chiefs motto.

[Calichief 3,016]

There are 4 QBs in this draft that could possibly supplant Smith:

 

Trubinsky

Mahomes

Watson

Kizer

 

In that order.

 

KC would have to trade up for any of them. I don't see it happening. They could have traded up just a few spots last year for Lynch and Dorsey didn't pull the trigger. Mahomes will not get past Houston and I wouldn't take Kizer or Watson until the 2nd. They will be overdrafted by QB needy teams, though in round 1.

The highly respected bill Polian is saying Watson will now go first. Thought that was interesting.