eraser 722 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 The Chiefs were had a deficit of over $3 M for their cap in 2017. They transferred about $4 M from this year. Perhaps there were other changes to contracts, because the deficit is not a surplus of $4,896,080. Here is a website detailing current cap numbers for the Chiefs. It can be altered to show how possible changes affect their cap numbers. http://overthecap.com/calculator/kansas-city-chiefs/ In addition, here is another page that indicates cap savings by personnel, according to cut,, trade, restructure, or extension. http://overthecap.com/transactions-table/ The Chiefs can gain considerable cap relief next year. Justin Houston has the fifth largest cap number in the NFL. Alex Smith's cap number is the 25th largest in the league. The next largest is the cap number of Jeremy Maclin. Then the next largest cap for the Chiefs belongs to Nick Foles, and 100% of that number can be salvaged by cutting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 If the Chiefs keep Foles, he'll have to regegotiate. No way do they pay him his current contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azchief21 5,278 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 If the Chiefs keep Foles, he'll have to regegotiate. No way do they pay him his current contract If we win the SB, Alex can be our QB until he wants to retire! Draft his replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 That may happen, win or lose in the playoffs. The Chiefs could draft Smith's replacement and Foles would become an expensive extra. It would be tough to be in the same position as OAK is right now, but only so much can be set aside for insurance. Either a cheaper Foles, or next year will be Smith, Bray, and new guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 If we win the SB, Alex can be our QB until he wants to retire! Draft his replacement. DeShaun Watson. I love that kid! Imagine what Reid could do with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraser 722 Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 The Chiefs likely will want to take care of Berry, and maybe Poe too. Foles will be released or traded. Alex will get an extension. Houston may have his contract restructured. Watson will go too early. King has him Watson going to the Bills http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/01/04/2017-nfl-draft-first-round-myles-garrett-cleveland-browns-mitch-trubisky-san-francisco-49ers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraser 722 Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 Gunner Kiel - 5th round to KC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefmanzada 466 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Can they not get a deal done with Poe and Berry? Reid said himself they do not let good players leave. I'm fully confident Dorse can get it done. We need these two to sustain our elite defense, which is all we'll need with the weapons we got on offense to make the playoffs every single freaking year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefmanzada 466 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I expect a restructure of Jamaal & maybe Houston (doubt it) to get whatever need be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefmanzada 466 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I do not want to see Foles leave unless they decide to draft that Clemson QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefmanzada 466 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 And I hope they find a way to get that Mizzou kid Charles Harris since Hali will be retiring. But that will mean no first round QB pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLchief 3,126 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Gunner Kiel - 5th round to KC That would certainly be true to form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 It's an option year on Foles. Either they pick it up or decline it, so not sure where this release talk is coming from. They will certsinly decline it and he will get paid and have a chance to start elsewhere. Charles is also certainly gone, too. There's 17.75 mil, which they could fit Berry and Poe into. Just would need to find some more space for draft class and RFAs (Don't have many this year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 It's an option year on Foles. Either they pick it up or decline it, so not sure where this release talk is coming from. They will certsinly decline it and he will get paid and have a chance to start elsewhere. Charles is also certainly gone, too. There's 17.75 mil, which they could fit Berry and Poe into. Just would need to find some more space for draft class and RFAs (Don't have many this year). If DJ couldn't make it back, what would that free up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 If DJ couldn't make it back, what would that free up?Not much. Hali would be an extra 300k cap hit if the Chiefs elected to not try to recover any bonus money. They can free some money by getting Houston and Maclin to take a paycut, extend MVP and push some money into later years and tack another year onto Alex with a small cap hit on the last year, with a rebalamcing of remainjng money to smooth out things. This is the last year the Chiefs should be crunched vs the cap like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Not much. Hali would be an extra 300k cap hit if the Chiefs elected to not try to recover any bonus money. They can free some money by getting Houston and Maclin to take a paycut, extend MVP and push some money into later years and tack another year onto Alex with a small cap hit on the last year, with a rebalamcing of remainjng money to smooth out things. This is the last year the Chiefs should be crunched vs the cap like this. I love Dj, can't see him really coming back solid after this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgar 1,046 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 money comes from unearned incentives.... from houston.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 I think Foles will really help a team with a good line. Pro Bowl type of QB in the right situation. If our O line settles in for next year, there may be some advantages to moving on to Foles. To another point, yes it is possible to sign both Berry and Poe. You can't sign both to franchise money. One is a safety and the other is playing very average football at a premium position. I think you try to keep one and the playoffs will tell us which one IMO. The regular season suggests Berry even though I don't want to drop that kind of bank on a safety. I hope Poe bounces back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 The Chiefs need to keep Berry. I'm not sure what he'd get on the open market, but there always seems to be some team willing to overpay so he may be unsignable. Poe is more replaceable and with Jones playing so well, the Chiefs can keep Poe's contract reasonable or let him walk. If Howard and Bailey can both come back 100%, the team will still be okay on the D-line. Foles will want a starting job somewhere and I don't think it will be in KC next year. Smith and Foles is just too much tied up in the QB position. Better to draft a QBOTF and let Foles walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azchief21 5,278 Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 The Chiefs need to keep Berry. I'm not sure what he'd get on the open market, but there always seems to be some team willing to overpay so he may be unsignable. Poe is more replaceable and with Jones playing so well, the Chiefs can keep Poe's contract reasonable or let him walk. If Howard and Bailey can both come back 100%, the team will still be okay on the D-line. Foles will want a starting job somewhere and I don't think it will be in KC next year. Smith and Foles is just too much tied up in the QB position. Better to draft a QBOTF and let Foles walk. I agree with all of that with one note and you know what it is: If we get to the Super Bowl, bringing back Smith next year and drafting a QBOTF would be fine. If not, Smith will have had a 4 year opportunity. Give Foles a chance next year but still draft the QBOTF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 When your backup quarterback and punter consume almost 10% of your team's salary cap, you have an inefficiency that must be corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Warpaint 3,235 Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 The Chiefs need to keep Berry. I'm not sure what he'd get on the open market, but there always seems to be some team willing to overpay so he may be unsignable. Poe is more replaceable and with Jones playing so well, the Chiefs can keep Poe's contract reasonable or let him walk. If Howard and Bailey can both come back 100%, the team will still be okay on the D-line. Foles will want a starting job somewhere and I don't think it will be in KC next year. Smith and Foles is just too much tied up in the QB position. Better to draft a QBOTF and let Foles walk. At this time there are a lot of teams that could throw stupid money at someone like berry, a lot will change between now and the draft & FA but the numbers don't look really to be in our favor right now http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/ also feel that poe is not going to get as much attention due to his back issues so he will not command as much $$ as we think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 At this time there are a lot of teams that could throw stupid money at someone like berry, a lot will change between now and the draft & FA but the numbers don't look really to be in our favor right now http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/ also feel that poe is not going to get as much attention due to his back issues so he will not command as much $$ as we think Out here, the 49ers are all over Poe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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