NChiefsCorner 496 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Was broke by Tom Brady this year 28-2, has Alex Smith even thrown for 27 TD's in a season. I think we already have our QB, we just need to play him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WichitaZRide 321 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Now look at the rest of his career: 29-25 Alex Smith: 168-92 Like many players...I'm afraid Foles was a one year wonder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NChiefsCorner 496 Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 Could be coaches not putting him in a position to succeed, I think that is why he came back to play for Reid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Now look at the rest of his career: 29-25 Alex Smith: 168-92 Like many players...I'm afraid Foles was a one year wonder... The rams were a train wreck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Could be coaches not putting him in a position to succeed, I think that is why he came back to play for Reid.Not to mention the rams suck ass. Fisher is Awful developer of offensive talent. Play him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okiechief1 425 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I won't hold the Rams against him but that 27-2 stretch was done in Kelly's first year and I'm not sure defenses had really caught up to that offense. The next year his numbers regressed to the point that when Sanchez took over for Foles he put numbers just as good or better than Foles for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I won't hold the Rams against him but that 27-2 stretch was done in Kelly's first year and I'm not sure defenses had really caught up to that offense. The next year his numbers regressed to the point that when Sanchez took over for Foles he put numbers just as good or better than Foles for the rest of the season.I thought that was with Reid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I thought that was with Reid? Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azchief21 5,278 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I thought that was with Reid? Andy drafted him 2012. Chip Kelly was coach when he had big season in 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 And like 7 of those tds were against a trash raiders d lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAUI 4,758 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I'm good with Smith.., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Now look at the rest of his career: 29-25 Alex Smith: 168-92 Like many players...I'm afraid Foles was a one year wonder... Foles wasn't even a one-year wonder so much as he made his mark when Chip Kelly was a one-year wonder. Chip Kelly is still unemployed after having his second NFL gig cut short. Nick Foles has done little to prove he deserves a starting job in the NFL. If you look at the film and don't swallow the numbers whole, Nick Foles is not the quarterback some think him to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcxiv 35 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Foles might not be the guy, but either is who we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West 6,714 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I do not see KC taking both Smith and Foles into next year with their existing contracts.... w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NChiefsCorner 496 Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 Chip Kelly wants to remain in the NFL, maybe the Chiefs could hire him in order to reunite him with Nick Foles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Chip Kelly wants to remain in the NFL, maybe the Chiefs could hire him in order to reunite him with Nick Foles.Kelly got hired already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NChiefsCorner 496 Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 Are you sure, reports are he is going to meet with the Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Chip Kelly wants to remain in the NFL, maybe the Chiefs could hire him in order to reunite him with Nick Foles. NO! NO! NO! The Chiefs do not need to change to a more ultra-simplified college-ball offense. Chip Kelly's offense places athleticism over ball smarts. You can't win with that at the NFL level. As bad as the 49ers were in 2015 with a Head Coach that was simply unqualified for his role, the 49ers were worse off with Chip Kelly. He's not an offensive genius outside of the circumstances that exist in NCAA. His schemes cannot work in the NFL on a long-term basis. I didn't want to see him go to San Francisco, and I definitely don't want him to blow up the Kansas City team with a scheme that keeps his team's defense on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 We already have enough gimmicky shit with Reid calling the plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilkie 1,518 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 I'm good with Smith..,Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraser 722 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Alex Smith is a flawed quarterback. However, he is better than what is currently available via free agency, and there is nothing in the draft. Even a drafted player, taken high (which is probably impossible for the Chiefs) will not be ready to go this year. Not many can come out of the blocks, and play right away. Peyton Manning was probably as close to ready as anyone, and he was not very good his first season. You can name with your right hand, the number of players who were exceptional right after being drafted. Dallas picked Dak Prescott late (compensatory) in the fourth round. He was placed in the right system. Dallas' offensive line is one of the best in the NFL. Their offensive line is much better than the Chiefs'. They are also loaded with experienced receivers. So, it was much easier for Dak Prescott to succeed. The other thing is Dak Prescott's deficiencies were fixable. Dak Prescott is similar to Alex Smith. Smith was probably a little more mobile, but both are excellent game managers. Dak had problems with his accuracy, especially when he faced pressure. He did not see the field past the first or second read. That was when Dak was in college, where he faced a lot of pressure. Alex Smith will never be Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers has a better feel for the pocket. Rodgers sees the field better, and looks to pass when he scrambles. During the draft, Rodgers was confident he would be drafted first overall to the 49ers. However, San Francisco thought Alex Smith was the better player, and Rodgers was overlooked by 23 teams (including the Chiefs, who picked Derrick Johnson), and finally landed with the Packers. Alex Smith was harmed by being drafted by San Francisco. He had three offensive coordinators in his first three years, and was injured much of his first year This was largely because the offensive line was so bad. In the mean time, Aaron Rodgers learned behind Brett Favre, and developed into a premier quarterback. The lack of support for Smith caused him to become less confident. At Utah, Smith only lost one game in two years. He is a winner, but he has become someone who does not push the envelope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCSLC2008 606 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Alex Smith will never be Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers has a better feel for the pocket. Rodgers sees the field better, and looks to pass when he scrambles. During the draft, Rodgers was confident he would be drafted first overall to the 49ers. However, San Francisco thought Alex Smith was the better player, and Rodgers was overlooked by 23 teams (including the Chiefs, who picked Derrick Johnson), and finally landed with the Packers. Alex Smith was harmed by being drafted by San Francisco. He had three offensive coordinators in his first three years, and was injured much of his first year This was largely because the offensive line was so bad. In the mean time, Aaron Rodgers learned behind Brett Favre, and developed into a premier quarterback. The lack of support for Smith caused him to become less confident. At Utah, Smith only lost one game in two years. He is a winner, but he has become someone who does not push the envelope. San Francisco fans be upset with them not picking Rodgers. But I hate it whenever Rodgers acts like he was slghted to not be picked. When he was trying out for the Niners, Rodgers questioned Nolan on one of the exercises they had him do. If he wanted to be picked by his hometown team so much, he should've just shut up and done the damn exercise. One might say it is that questioning that is part of a personality that would make him a better quarterback. But he already had that personality and he could've just shut up and done what he was told. Again, if he wanted to be there so badly. I think he just really wanted to play in the NFL, to win, and of course everyone wants to be paid. Ultimately, it worked out for him and that he was able to learn, even if Favre didn't want to teach him anything. He was on a better team and ended up being coached by the same guy the Niners had as OC. Better oline sometimes, sometimes not, Rodgers was/is better at scrambling, trusting his line/reliever, keeping his head up, etc., but compared to where Rodgers is now, his career wouldn't have started as well as it did (three years of playing) if he had been the first pick. As for Smith's OCs, he had six in six years and it wasn't a matter of him getting them fired. Two of them left to be head coaches, one he never paid for, two were never hired again for any position, and one was there when he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 As for Smith's OCs, he had six in six years and it wasn't a matter of him getting them fired. Two of them left to be head coaches, one he never paid for, two were never hired again for any position, and one was there when he left. So, it's everyone else's fault? Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 So, it's everyone else's fault? Got it. This is the sort of retort that really is nonsensical when you get at the root of the issue. What is Smith's "fault"? If Smith's objective is to put his team in position to win football games, and then keep them there, isn't he doing that? Why does his objective have to be something else? On what basis do his detractors establish artificial benchmarks for touchdowns? On what basis do his detractors argue that Smith is almost exclusively accountable for third-down conversions rates? On what basis do his detractors argue that a Smith-led team needs the benefit of fortuitous bounces to win a Super Bowl title? The goalposts get moved in this conversation constantly. Smith has one job: Help his team win football games. The flaw in everyone's reasoning is to use as the basis of comparison the performances or the statistical accumulations of his "peers" (quarterbacks playing in completely different situations: Different supporting casts, different coaches, different schemes, and even different facilities). The Chiefs don't win games because Alex Smith plays like Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. The Chiefs win games because Alex Smith executes his role within the game plan. The fact that Smith's Kansas City team has won at a better pace than most other teams in the NFL (after arriving following a 2-14 season, no less) says that Smith is doing his job. Some detractors would argue that almost any quarterback could do the job Smith is being asked to do. If that is really so, why isn't there a quarterback quite like Smith in the whole of the NFL? Who is analogous to Smith, not in statistical accumulations, but in playing with a similar supporting cast, similar coaching, and similar schemes, all with the same level of success? There is no one that fits that definition. There is no "fault". All quarterbacks have their flaws. If Smith's were as bad as you believe them to be, he wouldn't have a job going into his 13th year in the league. The opinions of league General Managers are worth far more than all of the dumb narratives, stereotypes, and tropes put together. Out of all quarterbacks to join the league within the past 51 years and start at least one game, Smith is ranked for 41st out of 498 quarterbacks on a list of games started. If he plays at least 16 games in 2017, he will leap-frog several respected players to 34th on the list. You don't climb that high on that list being a mediocre quarterback. The inability of Smith's detractors to find justification for Smith continuing to play in Kansas City in spite of the fact that Smith continues to be the Chiefs' starting quarterback is a sign that his detractors don't understand what the real basis is for what makes a NFL player a good quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West 6,714 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Smith remains the best option the Chiefs have at QB. Pretty simple stuff. If KC wants to go after a Franchise QB it is going to be very, very expensive. If KC wants to develop a Franchise QB in the Draft the odds of finding that guy are about 2000 to 1. (Maybe 10 Franchise QB's in the NFL at any given time. There are About 500 Universities, 4 graduating classes per school, that could give you a Franchise QB over about 10 years: 500 x 4 x 10 / 10) While Fans clamor for the Franchise QB, it is seemingly more of a function of luck than skill in drafting. w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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