PhataLerror 370 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Why does everybody whine about the O line after 4 years of free agency and drafts? Because the playoff caliber offensive line talent Dorsey has brought in hasn't survived to the post-season. The Chiefs came into this post-season with four-out-of-five, their best attendance yet. Then Fulton was awful, and Jah Reid gave up a strip-sack out of max protect. We tolerated Ehinger because he was a rookie, and hopefully the injury to his knee won't do more damage to his development than his shaky starts as a rookie did for it. Having to play Fulton for a third year when he's clearly showing little-to-no improvement definitely generates frustration. Duvernay-Tardif occasionally brings punch for the run, and he's passable in pass protection, but I haven't see anything to suggest he's a top-12 right guard. If this season starts out with a healthy, confident, and stronger Ehinger at left guard and a free agent right guard who can be competent against A-gap and B-gap blitzes, I'd be OK. Nothing I've seen says either of the Chiefs guards not named Ehinger should start another game for the Chiefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azchief21 5,278 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Because the playoff caliber offensive line talent Dorsey has brought in hasn't survived to the post-season. The Chiefs came into this post-season with four-out-of-five, their best attendance yet. Then Fulton was awful, and Jah Reid gave up a strip-sack out of max protect. We tolerated Ehinger because he was a rookie, and hopefully the injury to his knee won't do more damage to his development than his shaky starts as a rookie did for it. Having to play Fulton for a third year when he's clearly showing little-to-no improvement definitely generates frustration. Duvernay-Tardif occasionally brings punch for the run, and he's passable in pass protection, but I haven't see anything to suggest he's a top-12 right guard. If this season starts out with a healthy, confident, and stronger Ehinger at left guard and a free agent right guard who can be competent against A-gap and B-gap blitzes, I'd be OK. Nothing I've seen says either of the Chiefs guards not named Ehinger should start another game for the Chiefs. *Yawn* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 *Yawn* Thanks for all the respect. Even when I don't mention Smith. I'll leave it up to the mods as to how to deal with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azchief21 5,278 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Thanks for all the respect. Even when I don't mention Smith. I'll leave it up to the mods as to how to deal with you. *Yawn* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West 6,714 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Everyone whines about the O-line because it clearly needs to be better. I like Morse and Ehringer and love the RT. But we need to generate more out of the line, no question about that. w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Another guard and pretty communication between lineman and I thought no we will be fine. I like what I saw from Ehinger, but it was a small sample size and didn't speak highly of his durability. I am not counting him as a sure thing yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West 6,714 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 The O-line is the Key to longer runs in the Playoffs...... The rest of the team is getting there......Signing CJ Spiller is an interesting move.... w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I agree on both counts. I really hope Ehinger looks like he did before the injury. Then O line gets easier. I would write off Spiller as a camp body, but you can't do that with Dorsey's record. He may tear it up this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West 6,714 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Dorsey is generally a step ahead.....Someone sees something in Spiller so they took a flier. w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omahacolt 208 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I'm going to have to disagree. I think Alex is a bad QB. Over 50% of his production comes from YAC, and his very low air passing is a clear indicator that the team isn't winning off his arm. The team has won from Dorsey finding some playmakers and Andy Reid having a well-built machine. You know, the same system by the same dude people hate and wanted him fired. I think he has the ability to be average, and teetering towards being good but his own lack of self-confidence and complete unwillingness to risk losing the game to win the game makes him a bad QB. A lot for the blame is heaped onto Andy for the conservative offense, but he's got plenty of track record that goes against that notion completely. The results have been pretty positive when he takes the risk, but he'll only do it if the risk is basically gone. That's what makes him a bad QB. He got away with this for years by being a dual-threat QB to help keep the chains moving. Now that his mobility is gone, they've turned into one of the worst teams on 3rd down. The long-time narrative that one poster has been trying to forcefeed is that it's a team loss with a focus on the team if they lose the game and a team win, but the win was strongly influenced by a tiny handed QB. almost every yard the pats get in the passing game is yac. brady rarely throws the ball 10 yards downfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omahacolt 208 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 So can I take from your comments that you are "sold" on Andy Reid? w he is one of the better coaches in the league. i would take him as the colts head coach anyday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 almost every yard the pats get in the passing game is yac. brady rarely throws the ball 10 yards downfield That is very true. He rarely holds the ballling either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 almost every yard the pats get in the passing game is yac. brady rarely throws the ball 10 yards downfield Careful. People get touchy when their double-standards get exposed. Responses like, "But Brady's a good quarterback so that doesn't matter" start popping up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azchief21 5,278 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 almost every yard the pats get in the passing game is yac. brady rarely throws the ball 10 yards downfield Silly statement. Check out the attached video and look at air yards vs. YAC. Keep in mind he's like 60 now in his 40th year. He's had seasons with over 50 TDs and over 5000 yards. 5 Super Bowl wins. Brady has averaged 3600 yds/season. AA's best year ever was 3502 and his average is 2531. Brady has averaged 26 TDs per year AA's best year 23. He's averaged 14. So one is a Hall of Famer and the other is a dink & dunk journeyman. Comparing Brady to AA is goofy. But don't worry Peyton was a great QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 almost every yard the pats get in the passing game is yac. brady rarely throws the ball 10 yards downfieldIt's under 50% Difference is Brady will attack deeper parts of the field if that's what the D gives. Alex will loom away from his wide open target and scramble for a 1 yard loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 The double-standards are indeed strong. What's it like to go through life being blind to one's own inconsistencies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 I've been consistent all along. You're losing the argument, which will make your Alex Smith fanclub angry, so you're spinning this every way possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 I've been consistent all along. Thousands of yards of YAC, but it's cool, because it's Brady. But when it's Smith, and his coach is calling multiple screen plays every game, the YAC is a sign of Smith's ineptness. Yes, it's inconsistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Thousands of yards of YAC, but it's cool, because it's Brady. But when it's Smith, and his coach is calling multiple screen plays every game, the YAC is a sign of Smith's ineptness. Yes, it's inconsistent. I'm gonna take a page from az, your schtick grows tiring. Brady is a 40 year old QB so of course his arm strength has diminished a lot. He's old. Hitching Smiths wagon to Brady isn't helping your case. You know why Bradyand Smith differ but you would have to admit you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 I'm gonna take a page from az, your schtick grows tiring. Brady is a 40 year old QB so of course his arm strength has diminished a lot. He's old. Hitching Smiths wagon to Brady isn't helping your case. You know why Bradyand Smith differ but you would have to admit you're wrong. And Matt Ryan is...? No one had more yards after the catch per reception than his guys this year, but supposedly Matt Ryan is one of those guys everyone wants now. You're still inconsistent, and you still can't see it. You're too busy making excuses to support a flawed premise to recognize that YAC IS A GOOD THING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 And Matt Ryan is...? No one had more yards after the catch per reception than his guys this year, but supposedly Matt Ryan is one of those guys everyone wants now. You're still inconsistent, and you still can't see it. You're too busy making excuses to support a flawed premise to recognize that YAC IS A GOOD THING. Who ever said YAC is bad? I said a QB is bad if he only passed for around 3500 yards and about 2k of it is YAC. It's the highest percentage of all starting QBs by a couple of points. Dink and dunk has a significant role in nearly every offense. You seem to strongly believe that we're saying all short passing is evil and you couldn't be anymore wrong. Keep flopping like a fish out of water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Who ever said YAC is bad? I said a QB is bad if he only passed for around 3500 yards and about 2k of it is YAC. It's the highest percentage of all starting QBs by a couple of points. Dink and dunk has a significant role in nearly every offense. You seem to strongly believe that we're saying all short passing is evil and you couldn't be anymore wrong. Keep flopping like a fish out of water. So it's not bad unless you say it's bad. A little arbitrary, no? Why conceptually or otherwise should it be bad that a certain percentage of passing yardage is YAC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 So it's not bad unless you say it's bad. A little arbitrary, no? Why conceptually or otherwise should it be bad that a certain percentage of passing yardage is YAC? It's bad when your Offense is a low tier Offense, which is what the Chiefs are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azchief21 5,278 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Give it up liquid, it's like trying to convince a 5 year old that steamed broccoli tastes just as good as bowl of ice cream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 To toss you a bone, Alex Smith wasn't lime this coming out of Utah. Injuries and awful coaching wrecked him pretty bad and sapped his power. Harbaugh rolled in and turned him into a dink and dunk machine. He finally had success for about the first time in his pro career and won't let go of it because he doesn't want to hear we want carr pt 2. He's just hit his ceiling here and Reid seems to be out of new tricks for him in this Offense. He probably needs to go somewhere else with a fresh concept before all his physical ability is gone for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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