DieHard 2,061 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 That makes sense now. Sounds like Bowe. Hopefully he brings some speed and route running to the table. Hard to make a living purely out jumping people. If he does have those tools, he would not be a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 What Semo said. Mike Williams is a Mike Evans clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 That makes sense now. Sounds like Bowe. Hopefully he brings some speed and route running to the table. Hard to make a living purely out jumping people. If he does have those tools, he would not be a waste. Williams is a stud. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraser 722 Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 Mike Williams would be a good addition, especially after they draft Josh Allen next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Warpaint 3,235 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Mike Williams would be a good addition, especially after they draft Josh Allen next year. Williams or Cook would be nice additions for our future QB (whomever it may be) if not one of those guys then Davis or Reddick would be good on the Defensive side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefmanzada 466 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Chiefs should trade up for Watson & develop him under Mr. Smith the next season or so. Still behind Charles Harris as the best Defensive addition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefmanzada 466 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 This league is very pass happy especially since the greats are diminishing such as Charles, AP, Foster and Lynch both gone Therefore we need pass rush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraser 722 Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 Chiefs should trade up for Watson & develop him under Mr. Smith the next season or so. Still behind Charles Harris as the best Defensive addition No quarterback has survived in the NFL, in modern times, who threw less than 54 mph. Watson's throws were measured at 49 mph. Every quarterback at the combine knows they will be tested. Watson topped out at 49 mph. This is far to slow to make it at the NFL level. While he was a wonderful college quarterback, his skills do not transfer to the NFL. Pass on Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraser 722 Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 They started measuring arm strength with a speed gun in 2008. Mike Glennon, Dak Prescott, and Tyrod Taylor. Taylor, and Prescott were injured. Prescott clearly has a strong arm, but was slowed by a bad shoulder injury. Glennon really wasn't much of a starter, although Chicago seems to think he will be. The ball travels 3 feet ahead of pass thrown just 2 mph slower (20 yards distance). If you give a corner, such as Marcus Peters, a 3 foot margin, it will result in incomplete passes, and interceptions. Defenses are much more sophisticated in the NFL. Players are much faster, and the margins are less. The only players to meet the test are Kiser, Trubinsky, Evans, Mahomes, and Webb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Warpaint 3,235 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 They started measuring arm strength with a speed gun in 2008. Mike Glennon, Dak Prescott, and Tyrod Taylor. Taylor, and Prescott were injured. Prescott clearly has a strong arm, but was slowed by a bad shoulder injury. Glennon really wasn't much of a starter, although Chicago seems to think he will be. The ball travels 3 feet ahead of pass thrown just 2 mph slower (20 yards distance). If you give a corner, such as Marcus Peters, a 3 foot margin, it will result in incomplete passes, and interceptions. Defenses are much more sophisticated in the NFL. Players are much faster, and the margins are less. The only players to meet the test are Kiser, Trubinsky, Evans, Mahomes, and Webb. i think we would have a decent shot to grab Mahomes or Webb....Evans needs the most work of them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Agree with passing on Watson. You can't develop arm strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraser 722 Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 The CFL needs to be the developmental league for the NFL. It would benefit both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NChiefsCorner 496 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Nathan Peterman=Derek Carr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Agree with passing on Watson. You can't develop arm strength.Ask 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraser 722 Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 Ask 11 11 wasn't checked on a radar gun. They started doing that in 2008. http://blogs.ourlads.com/2016/03/02/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/ I do not suspect Alex Smith has inferior arm strength. He seems to be able to fit the ball into a tight window. His problems are willingness to throw the ball into tight spaces, and inability to be accurate on long throws. He doesn't have a rocket, but from my observations, he throws a faster ball than Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraser 722 Posted March 18, 2017 Author Share Posted March 18, 2017 Trade #1 Ron Parker and 2018 4th round pick to Jacksonville Jaguars for 2nd round pick in 2017 (#35) Trade #2 Dustin Colquitt and 2018 5th round pick to Indianapolis Colts for 3rd round pick in 2017 (#80) Trade #3 Zach Fulton and 2017 6th round comp pick (#216) to Cleveland for 6th round pick in 2017 (#185) These moves create an additional $6,742,684 in cap space in 2017, and an additional cap space of $10,975,000 for 2018 The Chiefs sign Gerald Hodges MLB pick 27 Corey Davis WR Western Michigan pick 35 Dan Feeney LG Indiana* pick 59 Jalen Tabor CB / FS Florida pick 80 Derek Rivers ROLB Youngstown State** pick 91 Joe Mixon RB Oklahoma pick 104 Adam Shaheen TE Ashland pick 132 Ahkello Whitherspoon CB/FS Colorado pick 170 Conner Harris MIKE Lindenwood pick 180 Steve Tu'ikolovatu NT USC pick 185 Jerod Evans QB Virginia Tech pick 218 Austin Rehkow P Idaho pick 245 DeAngelow Brown DT Louisville *If Mahomes falls to the 2nd round, the Chiefs take him w pick 35 *also, may require the Chiefs to either retain Zach Fulton or necessitate a FA pick up at G/C ** Tyus Bowser may be taken instead of Rivers, if available w pick 80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Corey Davis is a waste with Alex Smith throwing the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCSLC2008 606 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Corey Davis is a waste with Alex Smith throwing the ball. We are not drafting for Alex Smith. We are not drafting for one year. We are not drafting him to be ready and number one on day one. He needs to learn the pro level, earn the spot, etc. Worry about QB future wise (whether that's drafting this year or whatnot). Rookie years are cheap, by the time he gets to his next contract, QB may be set. Meanwhile, you'd be giving Smith a good asset, even if not optimized. Coach him not to Smith, but to Davis' role and potential, moving parts will change. Make your team better in your vision, not at the expense of a QB that's better per se, but in general. If Alex doesn't cut it overall and doesn't cut it for Davis, he'll be cut. Don't draft differently than your vision - draft for your system, teach your players your system, play to player's strengths but in your system, move on when opportune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Warpaint 3,235 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Trade #1 Ron Parker and 2018 4th round pick to Jacksonville Jaguars for 2nd round pick in 2017 (#35) Trade #2 Dustin Colquitt and 2018 5th round pick to Indianapolis Colts for 3rd round pick in 2017 (#80) Trade #3 Zach Fulton and 2017 6th round comp pick (#216) to Cleveland for 6th round pick in 2017 (#185) These moves create an additional $6,742,684 in cap space in 2017, and an additional cap space of $10,975,000 for 2018 The Chiefs sign Gerald Hodges MLB pick 27 Corey Davis WR Western Michigan pick 35 Dan Feeney LG Indiana* pick 59 Jalen Tabor CB / FS Florida pick 80 Derek Rivers ROLB Youngstown State** pick 91 Joe Mixon RB Oklahoma pick 104 Adam Shaheen TE Ashland pick 132 Ahkello Whitherspoon CB/FS Colorado pick 170 Conner Harris MIKE Lindenwood pick 180 Steve Tu'ikolovatu NT USC pick 185 Jerod Evans QB Virginia Tech pick 218 Austin Rehkow P Idaho pick 245 DeAngelow Brown DT Louisville *If Mahomes falls to the 2nd round, the Chiefs take him w pick 35 *also, may require the Chiefs to either retain Zach Fulton or necessitate a FA pick up at G/C ** Tyus Bowser may be taken instead of Rivers, if available w pick 80 can't see Davis being around at 27, he is rising up the draft boards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraser 722 Posted March 18, 2017 Author Share Posted March 18, 2017 Corey Davis is a waste with Alex Smith throwing the ball. Did you see my second pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraser 722 Posted March 18, 2017 Author Share Posted March 18, 2017 We are not drafting for Alex Smith. We are not drafting for one year. We are not drafting him to be ready and number one on day one. He needs to learn the pro level, earn the spot, etc. Worry about QB future wise (whether that's drafting this year or whatnot). Rookie years are cheap, by the time he gets to his next contract, QB may be set. Meanwhile, you'd be giving Smith a good asset, even if not optimized. Coach him not to Smith, but to Davis' role and potential, moving parts will change. Make your team better in your vision, not at the expense of a QB that's better per se, but in general. If Alex doesn't cut it overall and doesn't cut it for Davis, he'll be cut. Don't draft differently than your vision - draft for your system, teach your players your system, play to player's strengths but in your system, move on when opportune. Too wordy, in this instance. Proper response. WR good. Ugh. QB bad. Ugh. Draft QB next year good. Ugh ugh. out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraser 722 Posted March 18, 2017 Author Share Posted March 18, 2017 can't see Davis being around at 27, he is rising up the draft boards True, but you can say that about any of the top thirty picks. Someone will fall. Davis didn't do any timed events at the combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 We are not drafting for Alex Smith. We are not drafting for one year. We are not drafting him to be ready and number one on day one. He needs to learn the pro level, earn the spot, etc. Worry about QB future wise (whether that's drafting this year or whatnot). Rookie years are cheap, by the time he gets to his next contract, QB may be set. Meanwhile, you'd be giving Smith a good asset, even if not optimized. Coach him not to Smith, but to Davis' role and potential, moving parts will change. Make your team better in your vision, not at the expense of a QB that's better per se, but in general. If Alex doesn't cut it overall and doesn't cut it for Davis, he'll be cut. Don't draft differently than your vision - draft for your system, teach your players your system, play to player's strengths but in your system, move on when opportune. You build your offense around your QB and until they have a new starting QB, you're building the offense around Alex. Did you see my second pick? Yes and if you like Mahomes enough to pick at 35, why not just take him 8 picks earlier if it's the difference between getting him and not getting him? Especially considering the cost of big time QB contracts, giving up that extra team option year would be completely baffling from a cap point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCSLC2008 606 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Too wordy, in this instance. Proper response. WR good. Ugh. QB bad. Ugh. Draft QB next year good. Ugh ugh. out. Proper response. WR good. Ugh. Need long term QB. Ugh. Draft QB this or next year good. Ugh ugh. out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Yes and if you like Mahomes enough to pick at 35, why not just take him 8 picks earlier if it's the difference between getting him and not getting him? Especially considering the cost of big time QB contracts, giving up that extra team option year would be completely baffling from a cap point. The Vikings did it right in 2014 when they drafted Teddy Bridgewater*: They traded up for the final pick of the first round on a quarterback that graded out at approximately the first round. Bridgewater actually checked a lot of boxes for a prototypical first-round quarterback prospect, but in a draft that featured Jadeveon Clowney, Sammy Watkins, Khalil Mack, Mike Evans, Jake Matthews, Odell Beckham, Jr., and more, someone had to slide. You don't do that when a quarterback grades out as one of the better quarterbacks in the draft, but not as an actual first-round quarterback prospect. Good general managers don't let bad general managers artificially drive up the price on prospects. In those markets, you're better off trading for a quality starter. * I'm not crazy about Bridgewater, but you could do a lot worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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