oldtimer 8,686 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000788148/article/chiefs-finalizing-4125m-deal-with-duvernaytardif The Chiefs have rewarded one of the key cogs in their ground attack with a lucrative long-term contract. Kansas City is finalizing a five-year, $41.25 million extension with right guard Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Monday. A sixth-round pick in the 2014 NFL Draft, Duvernay-Tardif has started 30 games over the past two years after essentially redshirting as a rookie. With Duvernay-Tardif and center Mitch Morse emerging as effective run blockers, the Chiefs' running game has remained effective even with Spencer Ware replacing Jamaal Charles as the featured back. Duvernay-Tardif is one of the most interesting players in today's NFL. In addition to playing football, he is also a medical student at Montreal's prestigious McGill University. He has taken two yearlong sailing trips with his family. "If they ever want to do a '30 for 30' on an offensive lineman, it would have to be Larry," Morse said of his teammate last summer. "The guy is multi-talented." The man with divided passions has quickly become one of coach Andy Reid's favorite players. "The way he's wired is just different," Reid explained, via ESPN.com. "He's brilliant, but he can just get down and just be dirty tough. He's able to separate that. But that dirty tough part, I don't want him if he's an orthopedic surgeon to do my knee replacement with that attitude. You understand what I'm saying?" Duvernay-Tardif has a bright future as a surgeon. In the meantime, he's building a rather comfortable nest egg with football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 LTD? Hes a limited trim now? Lol I did say a lot that the Chiefs were high on Ldt, so I don't fault the contract. The timing, though, is pretty bad. They still had him for dirt cheap this year and as a RFA for 2018 at a smaller salary. They really don't have the space now for this, nor do I think he has shown exactly enough to warrant it. They did this with Fisher and it hasn't exactly worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 I'm scratching my head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I don't see him as a "key cog in their ground attack." This is a strange deal. I agree with Liquid. Not the time for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 I got a feeling that a Berry contract is possible in the next 24 hours and the Chiefs are going to take it in the salary cap pooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhitter 1,424 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Wow...just wow. I think it's important to invest in your offensive line but seriously no one is going to confuse any of our linemen for Will Shields or Willie Roaf. Fisher is mediocre and so is LDT. Fisher has shown incremental improvement each year but is getting paid to be a top tier LT which he is not. Tardif was probably our best pass blocker on the line but not that great as a run blocker. I guess if you keep everyone together there has to be something said for consistency as a unit. And I agree...the timing is really odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WichitaZRide 321 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Same agent as Berry...guess he's getting all his guys paid at once... Several people have made sense of this deal. It may be elite money today, but with the market for guards, he probably won't be in the top half of starting guards in a year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 If I had to guess, it seems they are trying to butter up Berry's agent. Ldt is represented by the same agency as Berry and so is CJ Spiller. E: beaten by seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraser 722 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 He was signed to a five year extension to his rookie contract, which was due to expire at the end of the year. I will have to look into the details to give my answer. OTC, and other sites do not have the details yet, not do I expect them for some time. LDT has improved every year, and he made great strides last season. He has the size, and athletic ability to play at a very high level. He is extremely bright. Fish, Morse, LDT, and Schwartz are going to be playing on this same line for a long time. Add back Ehinger, and a few back up parts, and this could become a dominant offensive front five. Schwartz is the best RT. Morse is top five. LDT has the ability to be the best. Fish is top 15. Dallas has a better line. We saw what a stable OL from Dallas and a rookie QB can do. I trust in Dors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 The problem with Ldt is that he's pretty dang not good as a run blocker, which is sometging you really want your RG to excel at. He was really rough when he first started and is now entering just year 3 as one, so he could get better. Those rankings seem a bit off. Morse was probably middle of the pack Center. Fisher is a lower tier LTA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 LDT has improved every year and he is athletic and nasty. Going to wait and see what the numbers look like but on first thought I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 I do like that the Offensive Line is finally going to have the same Week 1 line up as last year, finally. Can't emphasize how much of an impact that makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Dorsey is buying stability in the O-line to help the new Smith replacement they're drafting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Dorsey is buying stability in the O-line to help the new Smith replacement they're drafting. It's funny because it's true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgar 1,046 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Expect a lineman in the first 3 of kc's picks... Dorsey will not go for years without drafting a lineman higher than the 6 round... Looking at you Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West 6,713 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Off season is going as hoped. I do not mind extending LDT, I am very pleased to see Berry get resigned. Very sad, but not surprised by JC departing and I can live without Poe unless he agrees to a reasonable contract. I would like to see ILB addressed in Free Agency. w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 Off season is going as hoped. I do not mind extending LDT, I am very pleased to see Berry get resigned. Very sad, but not surprised by JC departing and I can live without Poe unless he agrees to a reasonable contract. I would like to see ILB addressed in Free Agency. w I'd do backward flips for Donte Hightower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Expect a lineman in the first 3 of kc's picks... Dorsey will not go for years without drafting a lineman higher than the 6 round... Looking at you Carl A defensive lineman, sure. I dont anticipate much, if any FA activity now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 A defensive lineman, sure. I dont anticipate much, if any FA activity now. just to keep our players here but not to improve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 just to keep our players here but not to improveI'd expect a sorensen and Santos RFA tag and some restructures to make room for later. Maybe sift through some FA scrubs to fill the back end. I'd move some Houston money around to make one splash, but Dorsey may stand pat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Oh and don't be shocked if Manziel comes in on a low risk deal. I know Andy liked him before the draft back in 14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I'd do backward flips for Donte Hightower Right there with ya. Except for the backward flips. And, he is going to get paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraser 722 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 LDT is being paid the same salary as he would have if not for the fact he got an extension. He was set to become an UFA in 2018. I have read a common misconception that he would have been dedicated to the Chiefs as a RFA anyway. The RFA rules are quite simple, and he would have been a RFA this year, if his contract was up. However, the Chiefs signed him to a four year contract in 2014, and RFA only applies to players who are under their rookie contact with no more or no less than three years accrued seasons. Why did the Chiefs sign LDT to a four year contract if they knew the rules? Four year contracts were rare for late round, or UDFA players, but not so much anymore. Plus, LDT had options. He was drafted by the Canadian Football League. He is in school to be a doctor (likely a surgeon). He could have foregone playing football, and elected to finish medical school. Even if he decided to play football in Canada, he may have been able to continue attending med school. Anyway, the Chiefs elected to offer him a four year contract. As such, LDT would have become a FA next year. The Chiefs made a wise choice by locking up LDT this year. The only difference is they were able to extend his signing bonus another year. Instead of dividing his signing bonus over five years, the $10 M is divided (for the purposes of cap space) over six years (the 4th year of his rookie contract, plus the five years of his extension). That means LDT's signing bonus cap consequence for this year will be an additional $1 2/3 M. On top of that, the Chiefs have him locked up for five more seasons, which runs through the 2022 season. LDT will be turning 32 years of age on his next contract, if he stays that long. The Chiefs have $20 M in guarantees. Those likely will come in the first four years of his contract. I don't have specifics of his contract, but this is roughly how it will be laid out. Year Salary proratedRookie RosterBonus WorkoutBonus SigningBonus CapHit Dead$ Cap Savings/Loss 2017 $690,000 $25,075 0 $8,500 $1,666,667 $2,390.242 $20,025,075 ($19,325,075) 2018 $1,000,000 0 $250,000 $250,000 $1,666.667 $3,166,667 $18,333,333 ($18,333,333) 2019 $4,500,000 0 $250,000 $250,000 $1,666,666 $6,666,666 $15,166,667 ($8,500,000) 2020 $7,500,000 0 $250,000 $250,000 $1,666,666 $7,166,666 $9,500,000 $2,333,334 2021 $8,000,000 0 $250,000 $250,000 $1,666,667 $7,166,667 $3,333,334 $5,166,667 2022 $8,000,000 0 $500,000 $500,000 $1,666,667 $10,166,667 $1,666,667 $7,333,333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraser 722 Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 The above is an estimate. Only this year is known. The rest is an educated guess, nothing more. It should give you an idea how such a contract can be assembled to help both the team, and the player. In this scenario, LDT gets $10 M up front, and another $10 M in the following 3 years. If the Chiefs decide he is not worth retaining, they can cut bait. The cost is $20,273,575 for three years ($6.9 M average), or 28,056,907 over four years (7.014 M average). Furthermore, the Chiefs could elect to keep him all six years, at an average of around $7 M per. This assures LDT he will have a nice paycheck, and it keeps the costs for the Chiefs at a manageable level without putting them into a bind, if it does not work out. The franchise tag number for a Guard in 2017 is $14.271 M, and the increase has been been averaging 7.5% or more each year. So, if LDT were to become a franchised player in 2019 (presuming he is who the Chiefs apparently think he is) that number would be around $17.7 M, and increase to $21,3 M the following year, if they were to have to franchise him again. Combined, the Chiefs under this future consideration will blow up their cap space, and pay out almost as much over the two middle years as they did over the life of the extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraser 722 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article136600898.html Estimated Contact Details I don't have specifics of his contract, but this is roughly how it will be laid out. Year Salary proratedRookie RosterBonus WorkoutBonus SigningBonus CapHit Dead$ Cap Savings/Loss 2017 $690,000 $25,075 0 $8,500 $1,666,667 $2,390.242 $20,025,075 ($19,325,075) 2018 $1,000,000 0 $250,000 $250,000 $1,666.667 $3,166,667 $18,333,333 ($18,333,333) 2019 $4,500,000 0 $250,000 $250,000 $1,666,666 $6,666,666 $15,166,667 ($8,500,000) 2020 $7,500,000 0 $250,000 $250,000 $1,666,666 $7,166,666 $9,500,000 $2,333,334 2021 $8,000,000 0 $250,000 $250,000 $1,666,667 $7,166,667 $3,333,334 $5,166,667 2022 $8,000,000 0 $500,000 $500,000 $1,666,667 $10,166,667 $1,666,667 $7,333,333 Actual Contract Details. ▪ Duvernay-Tardif’s deal is worth five years and $41.25 million with $20 million guaranteed and a $10 million signing bonus. Duvernay-Tardif’s cap numbers are as follows: $2.7 million in 2017, $5.3 million in 2018, $8.2 million in 2019, $9 million in 2020 and $9.2 million in 2021. Duvernay-Tardif has a base salary of $7.9 million in 2022. Interestingly enough, he also has maximum roster bonuses of $500,000 per season in 2020, 2021 and 2022, with a total of $31,250 per game. It also includes a $50,000 workout bonus every year from 2018-22, and an $8,500 workout bonus in 2017. Duvernay-Tardif’s $10 million signing bonus is prorated through 2021, meaning the first year the Chiefs could actually save cap room by releasing him is in 2019, when they’d create about $2.2 million in space. Year Est. Cap Hit Actual Cap Hit Est. Cap Savings/Loss Actual Cap Savings/Loss 2017 $2,390,242 $2,723,575 ($19,325,075) ($11,301,500) 2018 $3,166,667 $5,360,000 ($18,333,333) ($5,950,000) 2019 $6,666,666 $8,253,000 ($8,500,000) $2,253,000 2020 $7,166,666 $9,000,000 $2,333,334 $5,000,000 2021 $7,166,667 $9,250,000 $5,166,667 $7,250,000 2011 $10,166,667 $8,500,000 $7,333,333 $8,500,000 http://overthecap.com/player/laurent-duvernay-tardif/3139/Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article136600898.html#storylink=cpy My initial error was pointed out by others. The signing bonuses for six year contracts are distributed over the first five seasons, and not over the sixth. I should have known that. I made a similar error with estimating Berry's contract. It was an off the cuff and middle of the night guess. I am human, especially now after my seizures. I used to be able to add multiple numbers, percentages, and computations simultaneously, However, that was then, and now I cannot. It is a hard thing for me to come to terms with, but I'm getting there. Dorsey outdid himself on this contract with LDT. I anticipated it would be better for the Chiefs than some considered. In many ways it was. However, Duvernay-Tardiff's agent did a better job in 2018 than I anticipated. As with Berry's contract, Dorsey made it easy for the Chiefs to rip it up in 2020. They can also break with LDT after two years, and still not face a huge deficit. I did not believe LDT's team would go for that. This is a prime example of how a six year $41.25 M contract really is not a six year $41.25 M contract. The contract is a $10 M guaranteed contract, which will actually cost the Chiefs $14.083575 if they release him after two seasons. I have a feeling this is a three year deal. If LDT does not meet expectations, the Chiefs will be in a position to either tear up, and renegotiate his contract or part ways. One way the contract was actually not as beneficial as I anticipated was his cap hit is higher every single year than I thought the Chiefs would be willing to live with. Again, I did this as an example of how the Chiefs and LDT's agent might work out the details. I had scant information, and it was only an educated guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.