FANATIC 852 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Smith is still Smith. The difference is a running back that teams fear and must scheme for, deep pass threat in Hill creates more room for Kelce to operate and this creates better pass protection and thus time to throw. Better weapons, entire offense has familiarity with the system and time to throw. There is no Smith 2.0 in my mind. Nice story but its the entire team not a new Smith. Mahommes will thrive in this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West 6,714 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 I trend to disagree. Smith is in the running for MVP of the entire league. Experience Matters in the NFL as Brady, Rogers, Wilson, Ryan and Brees show, Chiefs are geared for a SB run and Smith is the Best QB to take the team there in the near term. w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCSLC2008 606 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Smith is still Smith. The difference is a running back that teams fear and must scheme for, deep pass threat in Hill creates more room for Kelce to operate and this creates better pass protection and thus time to throw. Better weapons, entire offense has familiarity with the system and time to throw. There is no Smith 2.0 in my mind. Nice story but its the entire team not a new Smith. Mahommes will thrive in this situation. I agree with your last sentence, but Hill hasn't got any faster or any more open than last year and we missed him last year often enough. We haven't been missing him as much this year. Hunt is great, but it goes both ways. Smith has helped Hunt with presnap reads, looking for him more deeper, etc. Smith still has to hit him and Smith hasn't always hit anyone deep. He's done it occasionally but not this frequent. The numbers bear this out. He's not looking down as much, looking for those weapons you mentioned. The tools don't matter if you don't use them. They opened up shorter stuff for a bit but without pushing, it isn't maximized. I'm a little bit upset because I feel that last year Smith could have done this. I have even said it here before and then, he didn't. Disappointing, but can't do anything about that now. Smith, keep using your weapons, looking up, etc. I've never seen even once on this board that Smith play was better than what we expect Mahomes to later do. Some people have disagreed on whether Mahomes could do it right now or not, but this offense thriving under Reid and Mahomes talents isn't something one needs to preemptively defend. Some disagree on how much growing pains there will be with him, but the ceiling isn't refuted. I don't even think the expectation is refuted besides the standard statement that some people do fall short of lofty expectations (nothing to do with Mahomes specifically). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 I agree with this. "I'm a little bit upset because I feel that last year Smith could have done this. I have even said it here before and then, he didn't. Disappointing, but can't do anything about that now. Smith, keep using your weapons, looking up, etc." But: Late last season this team could not run the ball well. Maclin was still a focus. Teams stacked the box. No time to pass. Thus dink and dunk. The key is TIME to get that deep pass downfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West 6,714 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 With you 100% now fanatic. We all now know that when Smith is given time, he is both accurate and very effective. w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Yes. The difference isn't Smith, it's time. The line is improved but still struggles with the injuries. The true difference is Hunt. He is a beast who is seldom tackled by the first or second or third guy to get there hands on him. Usually he fights for at least 2 or 3 more yards than Ware did last year. That is a huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Yes. The difference isn't Smith, it's time. The line is improved but still struggles with the injuries. The true difference is Hunt. He is a beast who is seldom tackled by the first or second or third guy to get there hands on him. Usually he fights for at least 2 or 3 more yards than Ware did last year. That is a huge difference.Just think when ware and hunt are both playing. Both guys are a load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Smith is still Smith. The difference is a running back that teams fear and must scheme for, deep pass threat in Hill creates more room for Kelce to operate and this creates better pass protection and thus time to throw. Better weapons, entire offense has familiarity with the system and time to throw. There is no Smith 2.0 in my mind. Nice story but its the entire team not a new Smith. Mahommes will thrive in this situation. The team sure isn't Smith. The thing is we already knew Smith was capable of such throws but he wasn't mentally good enough to make those. This year his football IQ seems a lot higher, could be the pressure of the contract/trade year, which is making a big difference. Hunt's presence helps a lot but the Chiefs weren't as creative on offense with a RB like Charles on the roster. The current offense is a mixture of things going very well and the fact that it's producing with such a terrible line is also a big plus as it could get better down the road. However I don't think it's the same Smith but rather a mentally free version of Smith who's very different than the scared guy we have been watching prior to this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West 6,714 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Smith's mental clarity was pretty good with the 49er O-line that Kap walked into. Funny how when that line went to shit, so did Kap. w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefensiveMan 758 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article178904346.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefensiveMan 758 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Smith's mental clarity was pretty good with the 49er O-line that Kap walked into. Funny how when that line went to shit, so did Kap. w Sort of like Dak Prescott in a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Just think when ware and hunt are both playing. Both guys are a load. That would have been so nice. Wear them down with Ware and light them up with Hunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azchief21 5,278 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 There's reason the Chiefs moved up in the draft to get Mahomes and there's a reason AAA is playing well this year and I'm happy about both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAChiefsFan79 136 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Smith is still Smith. The difference is a running back that teams fear and must scheme for, deep pass threat in Hill creates more room for Kelce to operate and this creates better pass protection and thus time to throw. Better weapons, entire offense has familiarity with the system and time to throw. There is no Smith 2.0 in my mind. Nice story but its the entire team not a new Smith. Mahommes will thrive in this situation. The Chiefs had 2 good seasons with Charles at RB and teams game planned for Charles. No different than Hunt. The Chiefs have better pass catchers now. Smith is statistically throwing more passes deep AND connecting. That's fact. So how is he not playing different? Yes he still throws shallow routes. But he is looking down field more and also doing so on the run. He's using his legs to set up the pass more often. We have not seen Smith consistently do this in any of his previous seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Smith is still Smith. The difference is a running back that teams fear and must scheme for, deep pass threat in Hill creates more room for Kelce to operate and this creates better pass protection and thus time to throw. Better weapons, entire offense has familiarity with the system and time to throw. There is no Smith 2.0 in my mind. Nice story but its the entire team not a new Smith. Mahommes will thrive in this situation. Except that all of his passing stats completely prove otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCSLC2008 606 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 He actually said F' It? I thought it was just a poster here who said ir: https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2017/10/14/16475442/arrowheadlines-alex-smith-says-f-it-chiefs-have-good-injury-news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablueguy 0 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 uh oh, people disagreeing with DBG and getting attacked for doing so? lol since Reid and Smith got here, this is by far the most talent they've had on offense. When I get attacked, misquoted, and lied about, I attack back. Sorry Homer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisChief-Maker 135 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 The great QB's win you games like today's, don't they? Alex has been very good this season, but games like today remind you exactly why we went for Mahomes in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefensiveMan 758 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 The great QB's win you games like today's, don't they? Alex has been very good this season, but games like today remind you exactly why we went for Mahomes in the first place. Missed quite a few throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablueguy 0 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 My apologies DaBlue. Fair game to tear apart the idea our WRs have been better with Smith than Trent. But i inflamed situation by going beyond that and shouldn't have. This was my fault. Still crazy to think that Wilson, Conley are in the same league with Kennison or Morton but Ive said my peace. I'll try to stick to debating my points with facts and not trying to point out things not relevant to that. Classy post. I'll accept the apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 When I get attacked, misquoted, and lied about, I attack back. Sorry Homer. your idealogy on the Chiefs is 1-5 this year. Congrats on being right today. I know this loss is exactly what you wanted. "Chiefs Fan" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moons314 2,463 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Missed quite a few throws. It was the ideal situation where smith could put down all the naysayers and put together an ending where he could be the hero because other things weren’t working and he kept missing throws. The Steelers defense made mistakes at the end that an elite qb exploits and wins a game that the other team dominated. I think today simply cemented what we already know, that smith can look good when things are going great, but when the chips are down and the team needs the qb to take them team on it’s back , he gets erratic. He’s a good qb, not a great one, and not one that in the 4th quarter of the afc title game that makes you think that he’s gonna engineer a td drive inside of two minutes. Take this season for what it is and have fun with it, but Smith isn’t delivering a super bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Smith finished this game without his WR1, WR2, or WR3. His TE1 didn't practice for much of the week because of the concussion protocol. Let that sink in for a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisChief-Maker 135 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 It was the ideal situation where smith could put down all the naysayers and put together an ending where he could be the hero because other things weren’t working and he kept missing throws. The Steelers defense made mistakes at the end that an elite qb exploits and wins a game that the other team dominated. I think today simply cemented what we already know, that smith can look good when things are going great, but when the chips are down and the team needs the qb to take them team on it’s back , he gets erratic. He’s a good qb, not a great one, and not one that in the 4th quarter of the afc title game that makes you think that he’s gonna engineer a td drive inside of two minutes. Take this season for what it is and have fun with it, but Smith isn’t delivering a super bowl. EXACTLY. We saw what Rodgers did at Dallas. His team let in a late TD with just over a minute left and that was all he needed to get the job done. Smith is a good guy and a decent qb. But if we want that big trophy we better pray that Mahomes is as good as advertised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisChief-Maker 135 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Smith finished this game without his WR1, WR2, or WR3. His TE1 didn't practice for much of the week because of the concussion protocol. Let that sink in for a minute. But a good qb learns how to adapt. And I also think those facts you stated excuses him from missing guys who were wide open tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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