xen 1,010,220 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Yes we can. A draft pick and 17 million in CAP space would make a big impact on overall roster. Next year the new era begins in earnest. This is the last run for the old core guys as we move forward with one of youngest and most talented rosters in football next year. We will certainly be raw and more inconsistent though early with Mahomes. It will certainly not be boring. We are set up so well to do this too. Just hammer away on the defensive side of the ball to add team speed to a returning group which will include a Pro Bowl caliber player locked up at every defensive position group. (Jones, Houston, Berry and Peters). Plus dynamic play makers at every position group on offense like Tyreek, Kelce, and Hunt and a young oline comletely locked up through at least 2019. It's an exciting time to be a Chiefs fan. Again I almost consider everything we do this year a bonus. I think the next era could be really special. Ok, your answer was better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Chiefs can not afford to keep Smith next year. The roster would be downgraded to accommodate his salary. Hes gone. That why a QB was drafted. Hes gone even with a Superbowl Win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Yeah, they've helped us beat the SB champions and win five games in seven. What a terrible defense he's facing every day!!! . They've helped? Replacement level. Can't hardly get sacks or turnovers until the offense runs away with the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCSLC2008 606 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 They've helped? Replacement level. Can't hardly get sacks or turnovers until the offense runs away with the game. I was always curious how many turnovers we produced after the offense got the lead in the past few years. (To be fair, the defense can't get leads without pick sixes.) I think we will always remember Berry's pick two and other big plays and the offense wasn't as good in previous years, but I do feel that we are more aggressive with the lead and thus will get more turnovers then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefmanzada 466 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Ok, your answer was better... LoL maybe next time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 They've helped? Replacement level. Can't hardly get sacks or turnovers until the offense runs away with the game. This defense was playing decent football overall until teams started lobbing up deep jump balls our corners and safeties haven't played the ball well. Think about all the TDs we actually had position on and could have intercepted. Teams have found a weakness and expect Denver to go right at it again until we stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend of AC 269 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Yes we can. A draft pick and 17 million in CAP space would make a big impact on overall roster. Next year the new era begins in earnest. This is the last run for the old core guys as we move forward with one of youngest and most talented rosters in football next year. We will certainly be raw and more inconsistent though early with Mahomes. It will certainly not be boring. We are set up so well to do this too. Just hammer away on the defensive side of the ball to add team speed to a returning group which will include a Pro Bowl caliber player locked up at every defensive position group. (Jones, Houston, Berry and Peters). Plus dynamic play makers at every position group on offense like Tyreek, Kelce, and Hunt and a young oline comletely locked up through at least 2019. It's an exciting time to be a Chiefs fan. Again I almost consider everything we do this year a bonus. I think the next era could be really special. Okay, you convinced me. Haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisChief-Maker 135 Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 This defense was playing decent football overall until teams started lobbing up deep jump balls our corners and safeties haven't played the ball well. Think about all the TDs we actually had position on and could have intercepted. Teams have found a weakness and expect Denver to go right at it again until we stop it. Can't Nelson help in this department? Also, I'd argue that we've got some pretty harsh calls on some of them jump ball TD's. Pryor pushed Peters in the back, Mitchell was pushed in the back against the Raiders etc. So I'm not sure it's a massive weakness tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 If Smith finishes with 30 TDs and less than 10 ints how do we let him walk in favor of a raw Patrick Mahomes? I don’t think we can. At this point playoff wins are the only thing that matters. The regular season numbers are always nice to have but looks like Mahomes can pile up those stats as well. If Chiefs win against a team like Pats or Steelers it'll be quite an interesting offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,687 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 At this point playoff wins are the only thing that matters. The regular season numbers are always nice to have but looks like Mahomes can pile up those stats as well. If Chiefs win against a team like Pats or Steelers it'll be quite an interesting offseason. Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moons314 2,463 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 If Smith finishes with 30 TDs and less than 10 ints how do we let him walk in favor of a raw Patrick Mahomes? I don’t think we can. Because of financial constraints. When the Smith contract was signed, the intention was always that 2017 was his last year. If you bring back Smith, you're limiting your ability to add other pieces because of the financial aspect, and you're wasting the cheap controllable years on Mahomes' contract. Alex could throw 50 tds and less than 10 INTs and still shouldn't be a chief beyond this year. Raw or not, Mahomes is the future, and the future is 2018, unless you're in favor of bringing back Alex and not upgrading other needs, which only sets this franchise back farther. The 2017 Chiefs are a good team, an upper tier AFC team, but not a Super Bowl team. Bringing back Smith only reinforces the status quo, and that's nothing against Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 The 2017 Chiefs are a good team, an upper tier AFC team, but not a Super Bowl team. You don't know yet if we are a Super Bowl team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Because of financial constraints. When the Smith contract was signed, the intention was always that 2017 was his last year. If you bring back Smith, you're limiting your ability to add other pieces because of the financial aspect, and you're wasting the cheap controllable years on Mahomes' contract. Alex could throw 50 tds and less than 10 INTs and still shouldn't be a chief beyond this year. Raw or not, Mahomes is the future, and the future is 2018, unless you're in favor of bringing back Alex and not upgrading other needs, which only sets this franchise back farther. The 2017 Chiefs are a good team, an upper tier AFC team, but not a Super Bowl team. Bringing back Smith only reinforces the status quo, and that's nothing against Smith. It's funny that the reasoning applied against Smith here won't be applied against Mahomes when it comes time to extend him in lieu of letting his contract expire. Just one of the many fan-imposed double-standards that has dogged Alex Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 It's funny that the reasoning applied against Smith here won't be applied against Mahomes when it comes time to extend him in lieu of letting his contract expire. Just one of the many fan-imposed double-standards that has dogged Alex Smith. Smith is going to be 34. Mahomes is 6 months into his rookie contract. There's no double standard. If Mahomes is getting it done then you extend him. Every chance you get. Then you franchise him as many times as you can. If he isn't getting it done, then you let him go and try again with someone else. Alex has had every chance to make it happen. Maybe he will. But if he shits the bed again in January he will be gone. Rightfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,603 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Smith is going to be 34. Mahomes is 6 months into his rookie contract. There's no double standard. If Mahomes is getting it done then you extend him. Every chance you get. Then you franchise him as many times as you can. If he isn't getting it done, then you let him go and try again with someone else. Alex has had every chance to make it happen. Maybe he will. But if he shits the bed again in January he will be gone. Rightfully. Smith was extended. For a good amount a t the time even though we had a year o his contract that we could have let him played out on. No double standard at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Smith was extended. For a good amount a t the time even though we had a year o his contract that we could have let him played out on. No double standard at all. That too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I'll add this, because people will try to argue that if Alex Smith helps the Chiefs win a Super Bowl in 2017, his situation will be analogous to that of Trent Dilfer following his Super Bowl win at the end of the 2000 season: How many different quarterbacks started for the Baltimore Ravens before Joe Flacco became the regular starter in 2008, going on to help the Ravens win a Super Bowl in 2012 as his contract expired? The answer: 8. And some of these were awful. Between Trent Dilfer's departure and Joe Flacco's arrival, the Ravens missed the post-season four times, and had losing records three times. In fact, since Trent Dilfer left, the Ravens have made the post-season only once while ranking outside of the league's best-six teams in Points Against (in Joe Flacco's 2012 contract year). So one could argue that Joe Flacco didn't accomplish anything that Trent Dilfer didn't. The Ravens made a mistake by not retaining Trent Dilfer. The 2017 Chiefs have in fact in seven games already allowed more points than the 2000 Ravens' defense allowed in all 16 games of their Super-Bowl-winning season in 2000. If Smith leads this team to a Super Bowl win, there will not be a basis for comparing Dilfer and Smith, and the Chiefs should think long and hard about just when Mahomes' "future" should begin. They might even want to think about where that future should begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Smith is going to be 34. Mahomes is 6 months into his rookie contract. There's no double standard. If Mahomes is getting it done then you extend him. Every chance you get. Then you franchise him as many times as you can. If he isn't getting it done, then you let him go and try again with someone else. Alex has had every chance to make it happen. Maybe he will. But if he *** the bed again in January he will be gone. Rightfully. I was responding to this: Because of financial constraints. When the Smith contract was signed, the intention was always that 2017 was his last year. If you bring back Smith, you're limiting your ability to add other pieces because of the financial aspect, and you're wasting the cheap controllable years on Mahomes' contract. The "cheap controllable years on Mahomes' contract" are likely to expire before Mahomes becomes anything like Favre. Anyone who believes Mahomes + talent bought by money saved with Smith's release in 2018 will keep this team at the level it needs to be at to win Super Bowls is deluding themselves. No quarterback has ever won a Super Bowl in their first year as a full-time starter. Mahomes was a long ways from giving evidence that he should be a starting quarterback in the NFL, much less a potentially Super-Bowl-winning quarterback that can make the needed plays and avoid the mistakes that young quarterbacks are often forced into making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I was responding to this: The "cheap controllable years on Mahomes' contract" are likely to expire before Mahomes becomes anything like Favre. Anyone who believes Mahomes + talent bought by money saved with Smith's release in 2018 will keep this team at the level it needs to be at to win Super Bowls is deluding themselves. No quarterback has ever won a Super Bowl in their first year as a full-time starter. There will be cap space to surround Mahomes with more talent as he grows in the system. If the rumors are correct and Mahomes is showing a lot of talent, assuming that Smith is still better than Mahomes by the end of the season his extra attributes may not justify the cap difference. Besides it's in Smith's best interest to sign a new contract in 2018 so Smith will have to prove that he can get things done without any more cap space to justify a new deal in KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I'll add this, because people will try to argue that if Alex Smith helps the Chiefs win a Super Bowl in 2017, his situation will be analogous to that of Trent Dilfer following his Super Bowl win at the end of the 2000 season: How many different quarterbacks started for the Baltimore Ravens before Joe Flacco became the regular starter in 2008, going on to help the Ravens win a Super Bowl in 2012 as his contract expired? The answer: 8. And some of these were awful. Between Trent Dilfer's departure and Joe Flacco's arrival, the Ravens missed the post-season four times, and had losing records three times. In fact, since Trent Dilfer left, the Ravens have made the post-season only once while ranking outside of the league's best-six teams in Points Against (in Joe Flacco's 2012 contract year). So one could argue that Joe Flacco didn't accomplish anything that Trent Dilfer didn't. The Ravens made a mistake by not retaining Trent Dilfer. The 2017 Chiefs have in fact in seven games already allowed more points than the 2000 Ravens' defense allowed in all 16 games of their Super-Bowl-winning season in 2000. If Smith leads this team to a Super Bowl win, there will not be a basis for comparing Dilfer and Smith, and the Chiefs should think long and hard about just when Mahomes' "future" should begin. They might even want to think about where that future should begin. The 2000 Ravens had Jamaal Lewis, Priest Holmes and possibly the greatest defense in the history of the NFL. There are no analogies to be found between the two teams. Dilfer had just 12 TD's to 11 interceptions. Tony Banks was 5-3 as a starter with that team. Alex Smith is a much better QB than Dilfer was. But he needs to get it together for a playoff run. And he needs to do it this year. Or he's done here. There's no other choices. He knows it and so does everyone else. If he plays well and gets us deep into the playoffs, he may get another season here. Even if he does he might not. You should probably come to grips with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisChief-Maker 135 Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 People talking about "no rookies QB has won an SB in his first year so we should stick with Alex" are a little misguided imo, The fact of the matter is look at Prescott last year? He played lights out and could have easily ended up in a SB final but for some luck going GB's way. We have to ask ourselves what would we prefer? A better TEAM around a very talent rookie QB, or a decent, old QB with near enough the same team as he has this year? The fact is with the cap space and another pick in the draft we could really mould a great team in the offseason. Another quality CB, another good WR, some help in the secondary etc etc. And I'd much prefer to do that than to stick with the status quo tbh whether we win the SB or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 People talking about "no rookies QB has won an SB in his first year so we should stick with Alex" are a little misguided imo, The fact of the matter is look at Prescott last year? He played lights out and could have easily ended up in a SB final but for some luck going GB's way. We have to ask ourselves what would we prefer? A better TEAM around a very talent rookie QB, or a decent, old QB with near enough the same team as he has this year? The fact is with the cap space and another pick in the draft we could really mould a great team in the offseason. Another quality CB, another good WR, some help in the secondary etc etc. And I'd much prefer to do that than to stick with the status quo tbh whether we win the SB or not. Technically Mahomes won't be a rookie next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisChief-Maker 135 Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 Technically Mahomes won't be a rookie next year. You know what I mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I'm a stickler for detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerborn77 276 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Well, mahommes is going up against our defense, and we all know how good THEY are! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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