The 2017 draft!!!!!..an utter disaster?

[MisChief-Maker 135]

When you think about it, bar Hunt, not a single pick has helped this team this season. Other teams have new players contributing all over their roster. But this team is the same as last years team pretty much give or take a few players, and teams aren't stupid, they know our playbook by now and that is why as the weeks have gone by we've found it harder and harder to get wins.

 

The reality is unless Mahomes turns out to be an incredible QB, or Hunt morphs into Faulk #2, this draft has the potential to be amongst the worst in this organisations history. 

[sith13 1,746]

It's not a realistic approach to expect immediate impact from a draft when you move up so much for a QB unless you have an abundance of picks like the Browns seem to have in recent years. Chiefs had 4 major picks (in the first 3 rounds) and used two of those for a QB that won't be playing in 2017. One of them was supposed to be the change of pace RB backup who turned out to be the likely ROTY until the HC decided not to use the running game and another one was a DL pick which never pans out in the short term. 

 

Overall Chiefs never expected any immediate production from this draft and in non-Madden environments this is a common scenario. There was a lot of promising depth at most positions and the team decided to take the QBOTF leap which every team must at some point. 

[Dablueguy 0]

None of the picks, except Hunt, were for this season at all, and even he wasn't supposed to be the starter, but would have been a big contributor with Ware.  Once they made the decision to trade for Mahomes, this draft was all about getting players that can help the Chiefs in 2018 and beyond, and I'm thankful for that.  It was the right decision.   

Drafting now players to try and win with Alex would have been an enormous waste of time, and we'd have no QB going forward.  I think every player we drafted has a chance to be at least a decent NFL starter in 2018 and beyond, except McQuay.  

If Mahomes bombs, it'll be a disaster and everyone will be fired, and you'll be right.  But I think he'll excel, and we'll be a legit contender for the next decade, not a fake contender like we've been with Alex.  

[MisChief-Maker 135]

The problem is you can say "the draft was for 2018" but Mahomes is still gonna be a rookie then who may still fail whilst we don't know what will become of Hunt now that teams have found a way to keep him quiet. None of the others have bought anything to the table at all. Eligwe? Kpass? Chesson? And to make matters worse they contrived to neglect the CB area of the field which is killing us right now. 

[sith13 1,746]

I would definitely love to add at least one early CB to the mix in this draft as it's probably the best ever CB class but it's easier said than done when trading up for a QB. Looking back Kpass might have been the only pick that could be spent elsewhere for instant production but other than that it's not reasonable to expect immediate production after the 3rd round. It's great to get some decent rotational performance but that's pretty much it. 

 

From the Chiefs perspective this draft class will only be judged based on Mahomes. The rest are just irrelevant when a team jumps 15 spots for QBOTF giving up 3 picks in the process. So we have to wait until 2018. Even if Hunt keeps up the early season form and Kpass turned out to be a decent OLB we would still have to wait on Mahomes for any judgement on this draft.

[MisChief-Maker 135]

I would definitely love to add at least one early CB to the mix in this draft as it's probably the best ever CB class but it's easier said than done when trading up for a QB. Looking back Kpass might have been the only pick that could be spent elsewhere for instant production but other than that it's not reasonable to expect immediate production after the 3rd round. It's great to get some decent rotational performance but that's pretty much it. 

 

From the Chiefs perspective this draft class will only be judged based on Mahomes. The rest are just irrelevant when a team jumps 15 spots for QBOTF giving up 3 picks in the process. So we have to wait until 2018. Even if Hunt keeps up the early season form and Kpass turned out to be a decent OLB we would still have to wait on Mahomes for any judgement on this draft.

 

For this season at least, the draft and free agency dealings have been a complete failure. 

[KC Warpaint 3,235]

This thread is an Utter Disaster!

[MisChief-Maker 135]

This thread is an Utter Disaster!

 

Didn't stop you from pocking your nose in though. 

[PhataLerror 370]

When you think about it, bar Hunt, not a single pick has helped this team this season. Other teams have new players contributing all over their roster. But this team is the same as last years team pretty much give or take a few players, and teams aren't stupid, they know our playbook by now and that is why as the weeks have gone by we've found it harder and harder to get wins.

 

The reality is unless Mahomes turns out to be an incredible QB, or Hunt morphs into Faulk #2, this draft has the potential to be amongst the worst in this organisations history. 

It's hard to judge a draft within less than a couple of years, but considering what was given up just to get Patrick Mahomes, it's a terrible draft unless Mahomes turns out to be an incredible quarterback. Unfortunately, because of other organizational mistakes spanning the last several years, even if Mahomes turns out to be something, his ceiling will be capped by his supporting cast, and he may end up moving on to another organization before the Chiefs get a return on their investment.

 

This was a Chiefs team with a Super Bowl window wide open, and they just needed some pieces to give them depth in critical areas. The 2017 draft did almost nothing for the Chiefs for 2017. Hunt will hit the rookie wall pretty much every rookie runningback hits, and won't likely be a huge factor in the post-season. None of the other players drafted will see the field for significant snaps unless injuries chip away further at the Chiefs' lack of depth.

 

For the timing of John Dorsey's firing, I'm not convinced that the Chiefs' 2017 draft wasn't a significant part of why he's no longer the Chiefs' General Manager.

[Legend of AC 269]

This thread is an Utter Disaster!

This. Dorsey said that in addition to Mahomes, they went after high ceiling developmental players who wouldn’t likely make an immediate impact. They did so thinking their depth was adequate. Obviously they were wrong, but it’s water under the bridge at this point.

[Mloe68 1,521]

This draft was largely about the future and weve always known this. But if we get a franchise QB and top tier RB it will be a slam dunk phenomenal draft. We just don't know yet.

I thought all along the 2017 team would take a step backward because our roster actually got worse rather than better in terms of current production. Alex played so well early and Kareem burst onto the scene so quickly that it hid the pending reality. Teams are now keying on Hunt and Alex has gone back to being Alex. We need that surge of play from rookies to help us now and it's not happening as most assumed.

[Mloe68 1,521]

None of the picks, except Hunt, were for this season at all, and even he wasn't supposed to be the starter, but would have been a big contributor with Ware. Once they made the decision to trade for Mahomes, this draft was all about getting players that can help the Chiefs in 2018 and beyond, and I'm thankful for that. It was the right decision.

Drafting now players to try and win with Alex would have been an enormous waste of time, and we'd have no QB going forward. I think every player we drafted has a chance to be at least a decent NFL starter in 2018 and beyond, except McQuay.

If Mahomes bombs, it'll be a disaster and everyone will be fired, and you'll be right. But I think he'll excel, and we'll be a legit contender for the next decade, not a fake contender like we've been with Alex.

This draft has major upside and part of moving up to try and be great meant a sacrifice to this particular team. Also our horrible CAP situation resulted in a net loss of veteran talent too. Tanoh is really the question here. Should we have gone for a less raw secondary player that could have been helping right now?

[MisChief-Maker 135]

This. Dorsey said that in addition to Mahomes, they went after high ceiling developmental players who wouldn’t likely make an immediate impact. They did so thinking their depth was adequate. Obviously they were wrong, but it’s water under the bridge at this point.

 

Er you do know that Dorsey was FIRED right? So folks obviously didn't agree with this approach, and thus, the draft was a disaster. 

[xen 1,010,220]

It's dumb to call a draft a disaster half a season in.

[MisChief-Maker 135]

It's dumb to call a draft a disaster half a season in.

 

How so? What has it done for us this season but give us a few good games from Kareem? You it is possible that they could have gotten Mahomes and Hunt AND still fixed some holes in our team like the CB area, right? Right now we're left hoping rather than expecting anything from these picks. And to me that's a disaster when you're meant to be a team that is expected to challenge for a SB.

[Legend of AC 269]

Er you do know that Dorsey was FIRED right? So folks obviously didn't agree with this approach, and thus, the draft was a disaster.

John Dorsey was fired months AFTER the draft, and both him and Reid had strong input on the players selected. Your statement that this draft was a disaster shows your blatant ignorance regarding the entire draft process.

 

Additionally, Dorsey and Reid are on record about how excited they were to draft Patrick Mahomes. They also nabbed Kareem Hunt in the 3rd and he looks like a superstar in the making. Perhaps we should have spent our 2nd rounder on some secondary help, but we didn’t because Dorsey and Reid didn’t feel it necessary based on our depth AT THE TIME.

 

Calling any draft a disaster 7 mos after it occurred is comical. Surely you understand the importance of developing your talent pipeline, yes? We won’t likely know what we have with players like KPass or Eligwe for a few years. Maybe we get lucky and one of them contributes sooner, but it’s not expected based on WHY they were drafted.

 

One more thing; we have no idea why John Dorsey was actually fired, so to infer it was because of draft disagreements with Andy Reid is ridiculous. Get a clue before you post your nonsense.

[Legend of AC 269]

How so? What has it done for us this season but give us a few good games from Kareem? You it is possible that they could have gotten Mahomes and Hunt AND still fixed some holes in our team like the CB area, right? Right now we're left hoping rather than expecting anything from these picks. And to me that's a disaster when you're meant to be a team that is expected to challenge for a SB.

And why exactly were the Chiefs expected to challenge for a SB? You think it had anything to do with fact that Dorsey and Reid felt this was a pretty complete team? Hence the ability to take big upside, developmental guys in the draft. Dorsey publicly said as much after the draft. Your entire argument here is flawed and based on the beneficial perspective of hindsight.

[DieHard 2,061]

We added some talent in this draft. True the Mahomes pick will weigh heavily on how it will be rated. Hunt was an amazing pick. Kpass was meant to be a high upside project. I think Eligwe will be very good and Chesson has a chance to develop into a starter. I would be surprised if we don't get 3 starters with 2 of them perinial Pro Bowlers out of this draft.

 

Too soon to say, but my guess is we look back on this draft in 5 years as one of the best since 2008. I don't know how many quality starters makes it a good draft. I mean, 2016 was a good draft and only 2 of those guys are starting.

 

Current Starters

2017 = 1

2016 = 2

2015 = 3

2014 = 2 maybe 3

2013 = 2

2012 = 2

2011 = 0

2010 = 2

[MisChief-Maker 135]

John Dorsey was fired months AFTER the draft, and both him and Reid had strong input on the players selected. Your statement that this draft was a disaster shows your blatant ignorance regarding the entire draft process.

 

Additionally, Dorsey and Reid are on record about how excited they were to draft Patrick Mahomes. They also nabbed Kareem Hunt in the 3rd and he looks like a superstar in the making. Perhaps we should have spent our 2nd rounder on some secondary help, but we didn’t because Dorsey and Reid didn’t feel it necessary based on our depth AT THE TIME.

 

Calling any draft a disaster 7 mos after it occurred is comical. Surely you understand the importance of developing your talent pipeline, yes? We won’t likely know what we have with players like KPass or Eligwe for a few years. Maybe we get lucky and one of them contributes sooner, but it’s not expected based on WHY they were drafted.

 

One more thing; we have no idea why John Dorsey was actually fired, so to infer it was because of draft disagreements with Andy Reid is ridiculous. Get a clue before you post your nonsense.

 

Goodness me it looks like we have another emotional baby on my thread!!! smh. The fact is other teams have drafted young talent from the last draft and they are fully in the flow and contributing heavily to the teams success. But this draft has gotten us nothing but a RB who seems shot already. How can anyone in their right mind agree with this strategy? You can argue till the cows come home about "talent development", but the fact is most of these guys look very average at the moment. Kpass isn't trusted, Eligwe hasn't got a sniff, Chesson, despite us having big injury problems with our Wr's has not had a chance either. If you're happy with this then that's your business...but IMO this has been a poor draft and it's costing us big right now. If you can't accept someone else having another opinion then click the X and keep it moving!!...don't come at me with this crap about "nonsense". 

[MisChief-Maker 135]

And why exactly were the Chiefs expected to challenge for a SB? You think it had anything to do with fact that Dorsey and Reid felt this was a pretty complete team? Hence the ability to take big upside, developmental guys in the draft. Dorsey publicly said as much after the draft. Your entire argument here is flawed and based on the beneficial perspective of hindsight.

 

Yeah, we had such a "complete team" after that shambles against Pitt in the playoffs right? SMH Your argument is straight trash and just full of feeble excuses. Try harder if you're trying to troll please. 

[Legend of AC 269]

Yeah, we had such a "complete team" after that shambles against Pitt in the playoffs right? SMH You're argument is straight trash and just full of feeble excuses. Try harder if you're trying to troll please.

You just don’t know jack shit about football sweetheart....HAHA! ????. And everyone in this thread has already acknowledged how preposterous your ridiculous theory is!

[Mloe68 1,521]

And why exactly were the Chiefs expected to challenge for a SB? You think it had anything to do with fact that Dorsey and Reid felt this was a pretty complete team? Hence the ability to take big upside, developmental guys in the draft. Dorsey publicly said as much after the draft. Your entire argument here is flawed and based on the beneficial perspective of hindsight.

Pretty spot on. Clearly Dorsey hoped a deep roster and getting some key players back from injury would offset reality our first two picks were high ceiling projects that wouldn't help in short term.

[MisChief-Maker 135]

You just don’t know jack shit about football sweetheart....HAHA! . And everyone in this thread has already acknowledged how preposterous your ridiculous theory is!

 

LOL says the idiot who just implied that we had a "complete team"?  

 

And please don't embarrass yourself by trying to speak for others!!!...it just underlines how desperate you are. 

[Calichief 3,016]

LOL says the idiot who just implied that we had a "complete team"?

 

And please don't embarrass yourself by trying to speak for others!!!...it just underlines how desperate you are.

Layoff the name calling. No need for it.

[sith13 1,746]

QB: Reid was happy with Smith managing things

RB: Ware and West are a proven duo

OT: Two of the top OT contracts are in town

OG: One of the highest paid RGs in town and some LG competition

OC: Morse is a good player with Fulton providing enough presence at backup

TE: Kelce is a stud and they are high on others in the mix

WR: Maclin was still on the roster, Hill and Conley are promising youngsters that need more snaps, Robinson and Wilson contribute at a decent level

DE: Jones is a stud and Bailey is a proven asset, Nunes-Roches is a solid backup

NT: Logan is a good run defender in the middle, Miller has decent experience

OLB: Ford was supposed to be at least an average guy, they picked up the option for a reason. Houston finally starting the season healthy

ILB: DJ was coming back healthy, Wilson did very well last year and guys like KPL were hidden gems that come from a very LB friendly environment

CB: Peters is a shutdown guy, Mitchell showed a lot of promise and needs to earn a paycheck, Nelson is a tough guy who sticks on the receiver with intensity

S: Berry is probably the best in the league, Parker is a good compliment and they love Sorenson

 

This was the environment entering the draft. Even if Chiefs didn't draft anyone the idea was that this is a competitive team that would easily get to the playoffs. There's a 33 year-old QB that needs to be replaced and depth is needed all over the place. That's what Chiefs focused on in the draft. Some things didn't go our way and some assumptions were definitely wrong but in such a scenario there was no way any starters would come via the draft unless the Chiefs would give up on Mahomes.