Mloe68 1,521 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 He's better than Eli Manning ever was. Let's start there. So do playoff wins or 4,000 yard seasons or scoring offenses or ect, ect matter. For you only when it fits your narrative. Today was a great example of a mediocre QB playing a stat filled game but collapsing at the end and getting beaten by a cheaper version of himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I agree he's not in that category. Those guys were horrible. But what qbs would you think it fair to compare Alex to? Who would you group him with? Grading our retreads. 1. Joe Montana - Clutch when it mattered most 2. Trent Green - Most accurate QB in franchise history 3. Alex Smith - solid starter. I'll always respect his work. 4. Rich Gannon - the second best but he didn't do it here 5. Elvis Grbac - this list is why Mahomes Ii is so exciting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Croyle should be high on that list for his consistency. He had a perfect record for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 So do playoff wins or 4,000 yard seasons or scoring offenses or ect, ect matter. For you only when it fits your narrative. Today was a great example of a mediocre QB playing a stat filled game but collapsing at the end and getting beaten by a cheaper version of himself. You've already gone on record with your position: Rings. And yet it's funny how Eli Manning's post-season record in games where his team allowed more than 20 points is 0-4. I don't think a quarterback who put his team in position to score 34 points "collapses". But there's always your narrative, so there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moons314 2,463 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Eli Manning will very likely end up in the hof and you are seriously saying that Alex smith is better? Good grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Eli Manning will very likely end up in the hof and you are seriously saying that Alex smith is better? Good grief. Eli Manning hopefully will not end up in the Hall of Fame. If he does, a regrettable degree of East Coast bias and a lack of ability to separate quarterbacking ability and statistical success on the part of the voters. Eli Manning's got two rings, and that's enough to get him several Hall of Fame votes despite the fact that his Super Bowl wins both came off of late 50/50 balls in games where his defense played at an elite level. Leave the Super Bowls out, as one of his Super Bowls followed a game in which he was outplayed by Smith himself in almost every respect and metric. If Kyle Williams was never a thing, right now Smith could be a multiple-ring quarterback while Eli Manning would have already finished his career as a one-ring wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Eli Manning will very likely end up in the hof and you are seriously saying that Alex smith is better? Good grief. Same guy who thought Joe Flacco immediately followed Trent Dilfer in Baltimore, so what do you expect. He also wouodnt take Carson Wentz over Alex Smith. Not much more to say. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thegoatee 1,780 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 How in the world is Alex Smith better than Eli Manning? You gotta be a Utah fan or related to Alex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moons314 2,463 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Same guy who thought Joe Flacco immediately followed Trent Dilfer in Baltimore, so what do you expect. He also wouodnt take Carson Wentz over Alex Smith. Not much more to say. LOL How could any chiefs fan not know the qb that followed Dilfer, considering who that qb was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Same guy who thought Joe Flacco immediately followed Trent Dilfer in Baltimore, so what do you expect. He also wouodnt take Carson Wentz over Alex Smith. Not much more to say. LOL That's it. You know I didn't say that Flacco followed Dilfer. Done with your intellectual dishonestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 How could any chiefs fan not know the qb that followed Dilfer, considering who that qb was? My point exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moons314 2,463 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Elite is seventh all time in passing yards and fourth quarter comebacks as well as passing tds. He’s sixth in completions. 4 pro bowls 2 Super Bowls. 50,000 yards passing for his career. I’m not sure how those aren’t hof numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 7th in TD passes, 7th in pass attempts, basically any career passing stat he is near the top. Add the two rings and I think he's in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Elite is seventh all time in passing yards and fourth quarter comebacks as well as passing tds. He’s sixth in completions. 4 pro bowls 2 Super Bowls. 50,000 yards passing for his career. I’m not sure how those aren’t hof numbers. Volume. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moons314 2,463 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Volume. That's all. Volume? You have to be pretty good to hang in the league for a decade plus while winning two Super Bowls to achieve that volume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Same guy who thought Joe Flacco immediately followed Trent Dilfer in Baltimore, so what do you expect. He also wouodnt take Carson Wentz over Alex Smith. Not much more to say. LOL Bingo- hard to take him serioous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhataLerror 370 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Volume? You have to be pretty good to hang in the league for a decade plus while winning two Super Bowls to achieve that volume. Isn't that what Smith has done, sans the Super Bowls, which are in part a consequence of never having a team around him as good as those 2007 or 2011 Giants teams? The stats are different because of scheme, offensive talent, and volume. Who knows where Eli Manning ends up next season. Or maybe he just hangs up his cleats (which is likely his best choice; the longer he plays, the more evident it will become that he benefited greatly from some of the league's strongest defense this century). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,603 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Leagues strongest defense this century? Where do you come up with this stuff? They were either good on defense (ranked 8th in 2007 and 16th in total defense or ranked 16th in total offense in 2011 and 7th in defense. Come on, Smith will have one of the better cast around him and the defense has not done it's job but KC is currently 6th in total offense and 30th in defense. Do you think they win the SB this year looking like the 2007 Giants? Did we do well when it was flipped when the defense was leading the way and the offense was lagging? Come on, Smith has the best group around him in a long time for WR, TE and even RB and still cannot get it done. Team game but my God will you defend him even on a sinking ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Isn't that what Smith has done, sans the Super Bowls, which are in part a consequence of never having a team around him as good as those 2007 or 2011 Giants teams? The stats are different because of scheme, offensive talent, and volume. Who knows where Eli Manning ends up next season. Or maybe he just hangs up his cleats (which is likely his best choice; the longer he plays, the more evident it will become that he benefited greatly from some of the league's strongest defense this century). On Alex Smith - "Alex does everything right- its the rest of the team that sux" On every other QB- "He benefited from (insert your choice) -a) the best defenses to ever play the game - the best Wide Receivers to ever play the game -c) the best running game to ever play the game -d) the best Oline to ever play the game" You are like a broken Fu**ing record dude...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 On Alex Smith - "Alex does everything right- its the rest of the team that sux" On every other QB- "He benefited from (insert your choice) -a) the best defenses to ever play the game - the best Wide Receivers to ever play the game -c) the best running game to ever play the game -d) the best Oline to ever play the game" You are like a broken Fu**ing record dude...... Heck the bum Kaepernick got the 49ers to the Super Bowl with that defense to help him out. No way we lose to Pitt last season with our defense giving up only 18 points if we had any upper tier QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Isn't that what Smith has done, sans the Super Bowls, which are in part a consequence of never having a team around him as good as those 2007 or 2011 Giants teams? The stats are different because of scheme, offensive talent, and volume. Who knows where Eli Manning ends up next season. Or maybe he just hangs up his cleats (which is likely his best choice; the longer he plays, the more evident it will become that he benefited greatly from some of the league's strongest defense this century). The really comical thing here is that Alex Smith had the number two defense in the NFL in 2011 and was outplayed by Eli Manning in a home playoff game against a Giants defense that ranked 25th overall. But somehow Eli was catapulted to greatness by his defense while the team around Alex just wasn't good enough. It's beyond laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCSLC2008 606 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moons314 2,463 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Isn't that what Smith has done, sans the Super Bowls, which are in part a consequence of never having a team around him as good as those 2007 or 2011 Giants teams? The stats are different because of scheme, offensive talent, and volume. Who knows where Eli Manning ends up next season. Or maybe he just hangs up his cleats (which is likely his best choice; the longer he plays, the more evident it will become that he benefited greatly from some of the league's strongest defense this century). If Smith has done the same , why are numbers like tds and total yards barely more than half of what Eli has done, with eli being only a few years older? To catch Eli’s numbers, Smith would have to go full on Tom Brady for four years without Eli taking another nfl snap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thegoatee 1,780 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 This is only like the 3rd Year in Smith’s what, 12 year career, where he has thrown for 20 or more TDs? That is pretty average from a production standpoint, if not below average. Heck, he went an entire year with no TD passes to a WR. Alex is a good game manager, nothing else. He isn’t a game changer. I don’t doubt his heart and effort, but the guy isn’t someone you believe in when it matters most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCSLC2008 606 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 This is only like the 3rd Year in Smith’s what, 12 year career, where he has thrown for 20 or more TDs? That is pretty average from a production standpoint, if not below average. Heck, he went an entire year with no TD passes to a WR. Alex is a good game manager, nothing else. He isn’t a game changer. I don’t doubt his heart and effort, but the guy isn’t someone you believe in when it matters most. Ehh, he's averaged over 1.25 TDs per game more than that, he just hasn't played all 16. 20 TDs is a low bar to pass and he would have had he played all 16 every year. Note that not all career games were full games. Plus, rushing TDs should be in addition. Doesn't make his stats glow and injuries or benching is an issue, but it's not a capability thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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