Sonder 47 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 We used to be a damn good defense because we had talent. The moment Mike DeVito left our run defense crashed. We need another DL like him so badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 But people are acting like allowing 22 points is some sort of "crime", when the reality is the offense completely fell apart in that second half. I mean let's be real here, if they score ONE FIELD GOAL, we win the game, so it wasn't just about the defense. It was a team loss but I believe lack of an offense, especially any possessions, in the 2nd half was the primary reason as the shorthanded defense had to stay on the field way too long. However this game aside Sutton simply caves in pretty much any time we have a decent lead and defense is simply taking punches hoping to avoid a knock out. So rather than the Titans game I think the problem is Sutton's mentality. Interestingly whenever we don't have a major lead defense competes all game long and the roster seems to become the entire issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Not every position back up is a pro bowler but again, the coaches have to realize this and not expect him to be Berry. To adjust to the player and scheme but not Sutton who kept plugging Dan away Agree Sutton was trying to fit square peg into round hole with him. Also have to consider he’s making starter money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 We used to be a damn good defense because we had talent. The moment Mike DeVito left our run defense crashed. We need another DL like him so badly. I don’t know about DeVito. He spent most of his career here hurt, starting only 19 games in 3 seasons. Although he and especially Tyson Jackson were strong vs run in 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisChief-Maker 135 Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 I was a big "Sutton out" disciple just a few weeks ago. But like I said in the OP, the trash he had to work with this year was ridiculous and then injuries just compounded the situation aswell. IF he goes then fine, but I'm not against Bob having another year with us tbh as I think he'd be better with better talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Injuries have nothing to do with Houston spending so much time in coverage. Why did it take a 4 game losing streak to figure out Sorenson in the box is a bad idea? Pittsburgh exposed this on the first loss. Yet Sutton continued to run Sorenson in the box with DJ for 3 straight now games. Then reverted back to it in the playoffs with a bad throwing team that ran all over us again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 I also don't like leaving peters on the same side all the time. It makes it too easy to neutralize him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisChief-Maker 135 Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 Injuries have nothing to do with Houston spending so much time in coverage. Why did it take a 4 game losing streak to figure out Sorenson in the box is a bad idea? Pittsburgh exposed this on the first loss. Yet Sutton continued to run Sorenson in the box with DJ for 3 straight now games. Then reverted back to it in the playoffs with a bad throwing team that ran all over us again. "Exposed" it so much that they put up seventeen points and needed a safety from us to add another two? No-one is saying Bob is perfect, but act like the defense was "the worst there has ever been" and it simply wasn't. Oh, and during that streak we allowed 12 points against NY and 16 against the Bills!!!..those defeats were not Sutton's fault at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 "Exposed" it so much that they put up seventeen points and needed a safety from us to add another two? No-one is saying Bob is perfect, but act like the defense was "the worst there has ever been" and it simply wasn't. Oh, and during that streak we allowed 12 points against NY and 16 against the Bills!!!..those defeats were not Sutton's fault at all. There are other measures to defense besides points allowed. Bell rushed for 179 yards. They held the ball for over 36 minutes and averaged 7 yards per play to go with 23 first downs. They didn't score a lot of points because they didn't need to. Bell gashed us over and over and we were powerless to stop him. Offense wasn't good either but the defense was terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisChief-Maker 135 Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 There are other measures to defense besides points allowed. Bell rushed for 179 yards. They held the ball for over 36 minutes and averaged 7 yards per play to go with 23 first downs. They didn't score a lot of points because they didn't need to. Bell gashed us over and over and we were powerless to stop him. Offense wasn't good either but the defense was terrible. Yep, they had most of the ball and yet we had the ball in our hands with over two minutes left. just like we did against the Bills and the Titans. You can make excuses all you like, but the offense cost us in those games imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 We had a chance to win WW2 also. It doesn't mean Pearl Harbor wasn't a disaster. Yes the offense didn't do well. We didn't have, oh I don't know, a hundred and eight yard back, a 150 yard receiver, almost 450 yards of offense, 36 minutes of possession, 23 first downs and 7 yards per play. That would have been really great offense. Or some might argue poor defense I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I think to get legit pressure with our roster, I have to send at least 5. To have decent coverage I would have to drop at least 8. You only get 11. The math doesn’t work. The fact they he managed to have a top 10 D in points is not a black mark on his record. I will take an upgrade in DC, don’t get me wrong. Not a change because we think it will magically make us dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerborn77 276 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Dick Lebeau won't be back with the Titans BRING HIM IN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Dick Lebeau won't be back with the Titans BRING HIM IN! Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 The Giants hired Del Rio as DC today. I'm sure it doesnt mean anything, but if KC was in on Spagnuolo the time is now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 The Giants hired Del Rio as DC today. I'm sure it doesnt mean anything, but if KC was in on Spagnuolo the time is now Oh please make this happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 The Giants hired Del Rio as DC today. I'm sure it doesnt mean anything, but if KC was in on Spagnuolo the time is now They havent even officially hired Shurmur yet. They sure as hell havent hired a DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonder 47 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Dick Lebeau won't be back with the Titans BRING HIM IN! Pass. He’s 80 and his defenses have been throughly embarrassed by NE every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 They havent even officially hired Shurmur yet. They sure as hell havent hired a DC. nothing official, but sounds like it's close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 nothing official, but sounds like it's close. So you admit you were lying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 So you admit you were lying? This is what I saw: Nick Jacobs @Jacobs71 4h4 hours ago With Jack Del Rio reportedly headed to the Giants as a DC to link up with fellow Bob Lamonte client Pat Shurmur. I’m curious where the third Bob Lamonte client Steve Spagnuolo ends up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,604 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 This is what I saw: Nick Jacobs @Jacobs71 4h4 hours ago With Jack Del Rio reportedly headed to the Giants as a DC to link up with fellow Bob Lamonte client Pat Shurmur. I’m curious where the third Bob Lamonte client Steve Spagnuolo ends up. I am seeing possibly signed by Tuesday as HC. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22174645/vikings-oc-pat-shurmur-expected-named-giants-coach-week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Tom PelisseroVerified account @TomPelissero 17m17 minutes ago Heavy snow and closed runways in Minneapolis changed Pat Shurmur’s travel plans tonight. Now likely to arrive in New York tomorrow, source said, to seal the deal with #Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I am seeing possibly signed by Tuesday as HC. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22174645/vikings-oc-pat-shurmur-expected-named-giants-coach-week It's a done deal. I believe we do have an opening right now at Associate Head Coach. This has traditionally gone to offensive coach in KC with Culley and then Childress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisChief-Maker 135 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 So do yall think Andy would ditch Bob for Spag? How close is their relationship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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