Chiefswinitall 60 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 2nd and a 4th? Trade with 49ers? https://arrowheadaddict.com/2017/04/21/chiefs-trade-idea-justin-houston-49ers-2018-top-pick/ Justin houston getting expensive article. https://arrowheadaddict.com/2017/08/28/justin-houston-getting-expensive-chiefs/ Chiefs moving FORWARD with reasons to trade Justin Houston. https://arrowheadaddict.com/2018/01/11/kansas-city-chiefs-shake-status-quo-alex-smith/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLchief 3,126 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Are we assuming he negotiates a new deal with the trade partner, or are we hoping to find someone dumb enough to take on his current one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,689 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 no unless it was a very early round 2nd I wouldn't even think about it. Houston is not the problem its how he is being used IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Justin Houston's new cost to a new team if traded: 2018: $15M vs current $20.6M 2019: $15.5M vs current $21.1M 2020: $17.5M vs current $19M So the trading team would save a ton of money BUT damn even at $15M he is still expensive for what he's produced....BUT I guess Sutton is having one of the NFLs best pass rusher drop back in coverage half the time ERRRRRRRRRRRR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 no unless it was a very early round 2nd I wouldn't even think about it. Houston is not the problem its how he is being used IMHO AMEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I'd honestly be ok with trading Houston BUT it would have to be for a player only trade. To give up Houston I'd need a equal starter at another position of need. The problem is that if we traded Houston, Pass rusher would then become our biggest need haha. MAYBE we look at something like this: Trade Houston to the Cards for Patrick Peterson....Peterson would only cost us $11.25M THEN go out and sign a guy like Ezekiel Ansah for $10M So instead of paying Houston his $20M+ you have Peterson and Ansah on the books for the same cost. Not saying it has to be those two BUT if you plan on trading Houston you better know you can get his replacement in Free Agency and what ever player you get back from the Houston trade must be a starter for us as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Over 12 million in dead cap to trade our best defensive player and only pass rusher. That's crazy. And I largely disagree with the notion he's being misused with regularity. We are SO weak on the other side that Sutton is limited on how he can use him. Yes, I'd like to see more creativity with where we line him up, but teams double down on him as a pass rusher because literally nobody else can get to the QB. So what's the point of rushing him all the time when he elite in other areas too? Again this is our best player and still grades out at almost an elite level on PFF. Is he yet another overpaid player by Dorsey. Yes. But this isn't the time to consider a move like this. But his contract is absurd so Veach needs to get creative at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Warpaint 3,238 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Are we assuming he negotiates a new deal with the trade partner, or are we hoping to find someone dumb enough to take on his current one? someone get the redskins on the phone!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefswinitall 60 Posted February 9, 2018 Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 Over 12 million in dead cap to trade our best defensive player and only pass rusher. That's crazy. And I largely disagree with the notion he's being misused with regularity. We are SO weak on the other side that Sutton is limited on how he can use him. Yes, I'd like to see more creativity with where we line him up, but teams double down on him as a pass rusher because literally nobody else can get to the QB. So what's the point of rushing him all the time when he elite in other areas too? Again this is our best player and still grades out at almost an elite level on PFF. Is he yet another overpaid player by Dorsey. Yes. But this isn't the time to consider a move like this. But his contract is absurd so Veach needs to get creative at some point. https://arrowheadaddict.com/2018/01/11/kansas-city-chiefs-shake-status-quo-alex-smith/ https://arrowheadaddict.com/2017/04/21/chiefs-trade-idea-justin-houston-49ers-2018-top-pick/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,689 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 https://arrowheadaddict.com/2018/01/11/kansas-city-chiefs-shake-status-quo-alex-smith/ https://arrowheadaddict.com/2017/04/21/chiefs-trade-idea-justin-houston-49ers-2018-top-pick/ I'd seriously consider SF's 1st & 3rd but the thought of them giving that up is absurd IMO I JMO but its my thinking we need to add play makers to our play makers on defense..after all defense is what wins championship and not make PH#5 score 28 + to win a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefswinitall 60 Posted February 9, 2018 Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 No. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Why? We'd never get back equal value. Smarter to keep building around houston so you don't need him in coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I would not trade him. He is over paid but is our best pass rusher. We will be lucky to find 1 legit pass rusher. Finding 2 is nearly impossible. No way I make a bad situation worse. Plus I can’t see him taking the kind of pay cut it would take to trade him. We only gain 8 mill in space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 We'd never get back equal value. Smarter to keep building around houston so you don't need him in coverage.Once he’s not the focus of the other teams offense, he’ll be back to beast mode. He’s needs some help opposite him. He’s not old, he’s not done yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Why? He’s not done. Not even close. Full offseason to truly heal up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 He would carry far too much dead cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thegoatee 1,781 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Two first rounders and two lesser round picks, maybe. A really early 1st rounder and a 2nd or 3rd. Too bad it isn’t Madden. You could get three 1sts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 https://arrowheadaddict.com/2018/01/11/kansas-city-chiefs-shake-status-quo-alex-smith/ https://arrowheadaddict.com/2017/04/21/chiefs-trade-idea-justin-houston-49ers-2018-top-pick/ Why are you posting stories from a year ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefswinitall 60 Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 Why are you posting stories from a year ago? Are they not valid now? Why bring it up then? Why are you posting stories from a year ago? 4 weeks and 4 month articles. 49er trade is like 9months ago. And they are valid for RIGHT NOW. Instead of QB , we need DEFENSE to fix holes. Is there anything else I can help you with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablueguy 0 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Houston's days as a premier, down to down pass rusher, are over. He's still a very good all around OLB, and should be for a few more years. But unfortunately, his contract is for a premier pass rusher, and that contract is untradeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisChief-Maker 135 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 No. Not just "no", HELL NO!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefensiveMan 758 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Give him one more year. He really needs somebody opposite of him. That will take pressure off of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefensiveMan 758 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Houston's days as a premier, down to down pass rusher, are over. He's still a very good all around OLB, and should be for a few more years. But unfortunately, his contract is for a premier pass rusher, and that contract is untradeable. We're stuck with him. He's gotta show up next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Depends. I'm not sure how the dead money would affect the cap if traded but if you could trade him for a low 2nd rounder to get out of that contract I could see it happening. But who would you replace him with? Slide Ford to the left side and sign Ziggy Ansah? Because unless we switch to a 4-3 there aren't any more legit long term options at OLB. More likely is we have to keep him for 2 more years until we can cut that albatross of a contract. Thankfully he is still a very good player that is almost elite. I would love to disagree with DBG but I think Houston is a 10-12 sack guy if we can get another competent rusher on the opposite side. Where we luck out is in 2 years we have quite a few guys who will need a nice big contract so his will come off the books just in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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