FANATIC 852 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 And nobody else wanted him so what does that tell you. Fake News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Good, let him sit out. Call his bluff. That's what a competent management team does. Or get rid of him like great teams do, NE comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Fake News Ok you got me SF and the Browns might have wanted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablueguy 0 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 We'll see. If my best case scenario with no 1sts, of a 3rd and 4th this year, 2nd and 3rd next year, came to pass(or worse), would you agree we were fleeced. I just don't think we can expect that much for a sub elite CB. You're still quoting top qb returns. My guess is the Chiefs want a player and picks and that's why it's taking so long. Way to avoid the question. What was your opinion of his worth in the Pre Trade Discussion, if any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggjliv4 1,292 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 It's kind of like the super hot chick that is batshit crazy. You take her on for the ride hoping you can tame her a bit then as time goes by you realize she just isn't worth the headache and drama anymore and have to dump her. Or you realize she's already got her eyes on someone else and going to leave you high and dry so you get ahead of it and drop her first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonder 47 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 And? So Veach is little more than a puppet? That's supposed to be a positive for Veach, make me feel better about him?Andy is in charge here. We found that out last year when Dorsey was fired. He choked another 1st rd disaster and no heat to his feet. Wake up dude it’s pretty clear. It was this way in Philly too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablueguy 0 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Or get rid of him like great teams do, NE comes to mind. We're not NE, in case you haven't noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Or get rid of him like great teams do, NE comes to mind. Did not NE have Hernandes guy on their roster? Nobody knows exactly what is going on. Its all speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablueguy 0 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Andy is in charge here. We found that out last year when Dorsey was fired. He choked another 1st rd disaster and no heat to his feet. Wake up dude it’s pretty clear. It was this way in Philly too And that's why he was fired in Philly. And if that's the case, his firing can't come quickly enough here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I wouldn't like getting a 3rd and 4th rounder and then a 2nd and 3rd but that is three legit chances to net one above avg player and another starter or two. I would consider it a fleecing if no #1 is included because next years picks are normally valued at a round behind the current. Meaning we traded Peters for a 2 3rds a 4th and a 5th and probably back end of each rounds as the Rams are ascending. I don't think is breaks our team but it hurts. What will break this team is if it was literally a Sutton or Peters decision and the rest of this team feels the same. That would be a rift Andy couldn't easily fix in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 And that's why he was fired in Philly. And if that's the case, his firing can't come quickly enough here. exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 We're not NE, in case you haven't noticed. I know they are not but you act like other teams don't move players when they become an issue, contrct or other wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Peters is hot head but nothing he has done (that we know about) warrants this. Veach is obviously out in a bad situation and so I don't fault him completely. I'm just reserving judgment until later, but I'll be honest that under these circumstances it has the feeling of a player dump and we got the short end. I hope I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Did not NE have Hernandes guy on their roster? Nobody knows exactly what is going on. Its all speculation. Yep and the Chiefs had Belcher, you never know for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted February 24, 2018 Author Share Posted February 24, 2018 Way to avoid the question. What was your opinion of his worth in the Pre Trade Discussion, if any?Has any player ever been traded for that kind of compensation? I couldn't answer the question because those terms are ridiculous. You're way over estimating Peters value. He's a great player but in no way is he the best CB in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Peters is hot head but nothing he has done (that we know about) That's the issue. NOBODY on this site knows anything about what is going on, it's all speculation and finger pointing at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablueguy 0 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Has any player ever been traded for that kind compensation? I couldn't answer the question because those terms are ridiculous. What compensation? 2 1sts? Sure. I already posted it, Keyshawn Johnson after his 4th year. So you agree that a 3rd, 4th this year, and a 2nd and 3rd next year would be ridiculously bad for us? I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I get it now, veach wants mahomes to be comfortable!!!! So he’s going with a Texas tech defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted February 24, 2018 Author Share Posted February 24, 2018 What compensation? 2 1sts? Sure. I already posted it, Keyshawn Johnson after his 4th year. So you agree that a 3rd, 4th this year, and a 2nd and 3rd next year would be ridiculously bad for us? I agree. No, because I don't think Marcus Peters is worth 2 or 3 picks within rounds 1 and 2. Not very many players outside an elite qb would net a combination of multiple picks within rounds 1 and 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 If they wouldn't part with Quinn straight up then I am leaning towards the rumors of no 1st rounder included in this deal. Hope I'm dead wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 No, because I don't think Marcus Peters is worth 2 or 3 picks within rounds 1 and 2. Not very many players outside an elite qb would net a combination of multiple picks within rounds 1 and 2. To me not too many players, outside a shit hot QB is worth 4 draft picks especially not in the top 3-4 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 If they wouldn't part with Quinn straight up then I am leaning towards the rumors of no 1st rounder included in this deal. Hope I'm dead wrong Chiefs wanted Quinn AND a pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted February 24, 2018 Author Share Posted February 24, 2018 To me not too many players, outside a shit hot QB is worth 4 draft picks especially not in the top 3-4 rounds. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Chiefs wanted Quinn AND a pick. Exactly! I read it as Quinn + #23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablueguy 0 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 https://www.google.com/amp/amp.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article201907719.html Mellinger GREAT article by Sam. Hit on every point: SAM MELLINGER Marcus Peters is gone. The Chiefs have some explaining to do. BY SAM MELLINGER smellinger@kcstar.com February 23, 2018 07:27 PM Updated 55 minutes ago Clark Hunt, Andy Reid and Brett Veach deserve an opportunity to explain, because as it stands right now they have cloaked their franchise with failure. That word is not used without thought. That word is not used without intent. The Chiefs on Friday agreed to trade Marcus Peters to the Rams, reportedly for draft picks. Without hearing from the men who made this decision, the explanation that makes the most sense is one lacking in guts, ambition, commitment to success, and realism. A difficult situation presents itself, and the Chiefs hit the eject button. Starting with Reid being hired and paid more than any NFL coach who has not won a Super Bowl, the Chiefs have branded themselves as a place for second chances, where strong personalities are welcomed and supported. Here, then, they failed with their strongest-willed and one of their best players. This was supposed to be their edge. Let players show their personalities. Get the most out of them. Except with Peters, the Chiefs failed to do it, apparently allowing the situation to become so untenable they traded him without a strong market of interest. Again, Hunt, Reid, and Veach should be allowed to explain. This has all the markings of the Chiefs pushing Peters out, but there is always a chance the trade return was so overwhelming the Chiefs couldn’t resist. So these words are an initial reaction, not the final judgment. Still, the following is true: Peters plays one of the most important non-quarterback positions in football, creates more turnovers than anyone else in the league, and just turned 25 in January with a year left on his rookie deal plus up to three more years of club control. And he’s gone. For what? The Chiefs traded a cheap, young star at a premium position despite the limited leverage of just two teams interested. Why? For draft picks? So they have an opportunity to select Peters’ replacement? That’s not the action of a successful franchise. That’s the action of a franchise with more blown leads than wins in playoff games. One more time, maybe there is a better and more sensible explanation, but here’s what it looks like at the moment: Hunt, who cowered when given the opportunity to stand up for his players’ rights last fall, wanted the headache gone. He has been outspoken about wanting players to stand for the anthem, and talked Peters into staying in the locker room for the song. Hunt is a conservative man by nature, and it’s not a stretch to believe he wanted one of the NFL’s least conservative players off his team. Because the other explanations don’t make as much sense. The Chiefs want you to believe they are serious about winning and just traded one of their best players. The Chiefs are trying to get younger and just traded a 25-year-old star. The Chiefs’ secondary was awful last year and they just dumped (by far) their best cornerback. The Chiefs retained a defensive coordinator who was exposed in 2017, deciding it was more about a lack of talent, and just shipped off one of the league’s most productive and dangerous defenders. The Chiefs’ defense emphasizes creating turnovers, and they just traded the man who has created more turnovers than anyone else since he entered the league. The Chiefs, in other words, have a disconnected vision of their future, or no serious expectations of success this season, or both. Peters is not without his faults. Obviously. He is hyper competitive, which is his greatest strength right until the moment it becomes his greatest flaw. You don’t know when he’ll draw a personal foul, but you can expect at least a few every season. Reid is by reputation one of the league’s great players’ coaches, and along with Terrell Owens, Peters is one of just two players Reid has suspended in 19 years. Peters’ protests during the national anthem angered a loud portion of the Chiefs’ fan base, and despite handing out turkeys and coats in Kansas City last year, the drama was never going fully away. There is little doubt he was unhappy in Kansas City. Some of this was inevitable, because the player and his adopted home were so different. Peters could have asked to be traded, but his only leverage was a threat to sit out (which would mean not being paid, and not accruing service time toward free agency) or to not sign an extension (but the Chiefs could’ve controlled him for up to four more seasons). The Chiefs were not against the clock here. They had time on their side. The Chiefs could have supported the player, could have worked with the player. They could have found common ground. They could have defended the player against unfair public criticism, if that’s what it took. Good organizations do that. The Chiefs traded the player. Organizations whose last Super Bowl appearance is old enough to be a grandfather do that. One more time for the people in the back: Hunt, Reid, and Veach deserve the opportunity to explain. Chiefs fans deserve that, too. Maybe there is something that brings it all together. But at the moment, only two explanations come to mind that make more sense than Hunt wanting the player out. The first is that Peters had somehow become such a problem that he was breaking the locker room, and the organization made the advance decision to deal him now before he made more money and his trade value slipped. That would have to account for the Chiefs players upset by the trade, require something much worse than what’s known so far, and be a tacit admission of failure by a coach hired in part because of his ability to get the best out of strong personalities. The second apparent explanation would be that the Chiefs are fully embracing a rebuild, and selling off all valuable parts while they reset around quarterback Patrick Mahomes. If that’s the case, then more big trades should be expected. There are varied holes in this logic, too, from the Chiefs having a good roster already to the NFL’s established history of teams winning with quarterbacks on rookie contracts. But, at least it would be something. At least it would be something that didn’t leave the sinking suspicion that the Chiefs just caved to the ugliest parts of their fan base and the weakest part of human nature by avoiding discomfort even as it sets them back competitively. Sam Mellinger is a Kansas City Star sports columnist: 816-234-4365, @mellinger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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