soonerborn77 276 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I was expecting them to get what similar trades, for similar players, got. Add the Jared Allen trade of 2008 in your research, and Jared was far more "riskier" than Marcus, for a team acquiring him, and did have to be contractually satisfied immediately, unlike Marcus, so Marcus should be worth more. And I was pissed at the time for the draft compensation we got for Jared. This is a good trade example but I disagree, an elite pass rusher is worth more than an elite CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablueguy 0 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 This is a good trade example but I disagree, an elite pass rusher is worth more than an elite CB I agree, but Jared was one strike from a year's suspension, so there was some risk to a team trading for him, which lessens the value of the player. As far as we know, Marcus is not in the NFL substance abuse program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Who cares if it pisses a player off? Marcus already plays with a chip. He'd just have a bigger one, which is great. If they're interested in maximizing their NFL career, at worst, they bluster, holdout, report at the last possible minute, and play their asses off. To make more money next year. Our own recent examples prove this in Houston and Berry.Dorsey butchered both the Houston and Berry deals. Not only did we over pay both, we also POed both big time. So much Clark Hunt has to step in and convince Berry to stay. You just proved my point for me. We need to be done with the days of having to tag our best players and not paying them until value is at its absolute highest.As such if we weren’t going to pay Peters, next offseason minus any more on field shenanigans he’s akways involved in, we could have sold trade as financial decision rather than character. Teams know Andy’s a players coach and that suspension and Peters reputation clearly scared off nearly everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 This is a good trade example but I disagree, an elite pass rusher is worth more than an elite CBThey both have great value. The problem trying to couple the two situations is KC didn't sell low with Jared Allen. He had just came off a career best when KC traded him, while Peters is coming off a career low. It's not really comparable as the NFL is a pure what have you done for me lately league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablueguy 0 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Dorsey butchered both the Houston and Berry deals. Not only did we over pay both, we also POed both big time. So much Clark Hunt has to step in and convince Berry to stay. You just proved my point for me. We need to be done with the days of having to tag our best players and not paying them until value is at its absolute highest. Actually, Dorsey was against signing Berry to that big contract. I disagreed with him, but that's besides the point. Clark stepped in and insisted he sign him, so blaming Dorsey for that contract is disingenuous at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Speculation is it's not close to that. All just hot wind at this point. We know no facts other than rams and chiefs have agreed to a trade in principal. Motivations, compensation and all the rest is 'who knows?' so far. People are letting their imaginations run wild which always happens when there are no facts.My hair dressers sister-in-laws cousin from another mother said she saw Quinn at the MCI asking for a great realtor. They als heard him asking if Donald has arrived yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Delete this post please. I changed my mind, he's not worth trying to reason with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Thinks he does! He was the same way at this other site I used to go to, right down to the same moniker and dunce cap. Ignore him......Shit I thought that was a picture of him. He acts just like him. You play to win the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Of course you were. you expect us to get a Herschel Walker type return for every trade.Dorsey would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Dorsey never actually did anything apparently. It was always Reid or Clark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 An article I read a year or so ago on NFL.com, ranked which positions were the most valuable to a team. Remember this is not my list but that of an exscout and NFL insider. Of course QB was number 1 but here was the rest of the list. 2) Designated pass rusher 1 (RDE/ROLB) 3) Left tackle 4) Left cornerback 5) Wide receiver 1 6) Defensive tackle 7) Running back 8) Designated pass rusher 2 (LDE/LOLB) 9) Middle linebacker 10) Tight end 11) Free safety 12) Weak-side linebacker 13) Right tackle 14) Right cornerback So according to this, no matter how good someone thinks he is, he plays the 4th most important position on the field. My point, Peters is not a QB, Pass Rusher or LT and does not deserve more compensation then thos in these positions. In regards to Hershel or Meshawn just because a team made a stupid deal for them does not mean they set the standard. Other sites don't split up CBs but they pretty much agree, CBs aren't in the top 3 and shouldn't be compensated as the top 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 He only plays on the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 He only plays on the left.My bad, my dyslexia is kicking in. No matter what that at best is the 4th most important position and doesn't rate multiple high draft picks. If the Chiefs can get them great. I fixed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/967557043820355584?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E1 Looks like we won't find out until March 14th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/967557043820355584?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E1 Looks like we won't find out until March 14th. Hmm, Rams are asking no leaks for fear of a better deal. Why wouldn't the Chiefs let it slip so they could get a better deal. That twat or what ever it's called doesn't make since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Dorsey never actually did anything apparently. It was always Reid or Clark. Yep. I heard he wanted to trade their 2 first rounders for Peters but Hue Jackson said no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Hmm, Rams are asking no leaks for fear of a better deal. Why wouldn't the Chiefs let it slip so they could get a better deal. That twat or what ever it's called doesn't make since. Because less than 3 teams were interested and even that's arguable depending on who you believe. Its also the same reason nobody has backed out of the Alex Smith trade. If the Rams don't want it out there and only two teams wanted the guy then you don't burn the 1 bridge you do have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend of AC 269 Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 So basically the Rams are screwing us. That’s all this could possibly mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Hmm, Rams are asking no leaks for fear of a better deal. Why wouldn't the Chiefs let it slip so they could get a better deal. That twat or what ever it's called doesn't make since. Chiefs could just shop the deal if there was anyone else interested. Makes zero sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 So basically the Rams are screwing us. That’s all this could possibly mean. This or he is full of shit. One or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NChiefsCorner 496 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I know that my customers have 3 business days to back out of a contract once it has been signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Chiefs could just shop the deal if there was anyone else interested. Makes zero sense.I agree makes no sense why the Chiefs would keep it quiet. They could easily deal with orher teams behind clise doors. I remember the Chiefs being screwed in the past with last minute backroom deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend of AC 269 Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 Chiefs could just shop the deal if there was anyone else interested. Makes zero sense. Good point, but perhaps the Rams threatened to back out if we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCJohnKC 33 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 No sense whatsoever. It's like saying deals are still being tossed around for Alex... LA is either nervous to admit what they have given up in trade or they are trying to sign Peters to an extension prior to releasing compensation. It could also be KC trying to work out new deal/extension if a player is involved. Otherwise I believe compensation has been agreed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggjliv4 1,292 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Makes no sense, even if kept secret a team can make an offer that may be better so this is moot. Plus, if I'm the chiefs why would you not leak it and possibly drive up a better offer, screw the rams. Additionally it just made it stupid to do the deal now instead of waiting until draft day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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