Dablueguy 0 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Same owner that brought in the best and hottest staff's up until now? Some worked some did not but he brought in the current coach that got us 2 division wins in a row. 5 winning seasons plus our first playoff win in forever. Dorsey did bring I depth and was good at the one year signings but lacked the cap space and even talent evaluation at times. He picked Ford and Fisher who some tbi k is over paid but nothing special for a 1st over all pick but that was his first year. He picked Peters though talented we see how that went now. Ford probably won't be on the team if he passes the physical. Mahomes we traded up so we have to wait and see. In 2016 he traded down and out of the 2nd and 3rd round picks we have Jones as Russell never made it out of camp. If not for the core group of guys he inherited we would have had many problems. He would draft for depth or development and we have class we are waiting on still. Now we have 2018, first for Veach yet to see but we will not have a first rounder either. Out of 5 years of drafts we have, with Mahomes staring next year 8 starters? Mahomes, Kelce, Fisher, Hill, Hunt, Nelson, LDT, Morse and I am sure I am missing some one. We are waiting to see on others but nothing spectacular as of yet. We missed on a lot of CBs, no LG, no TE depth, safety depth and still have yet to find a solid WR group. Luckily we got Hill in the 5th but that does not happen often. Again, he turned around our depth and competition but no way I would give him an A. https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Bolt/Every-NFL-Draft-selection-made-by-Cleveland-Browns-John-Dorsey-112328382/Amp Dorsey inherited a 2-14 team. In his first season of running things, he went 11-5. The Chiefs overall record where he ran drafts and Free Agency was 53-27. That record in itself is great, but even greater because of how quickly the turnaround happened and what he inherited. That's at least the A- I give him, and I only give him the -, because of some bad contracts with mediocre players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Dorsey inherited a 2-14 team. In his first season of running things, he went 11-5. The Chiefs overall record where he ran drafts and Free Agency was 53-27. That record in itself is great, but even greater because of how quickly the turnaround happened and what he inherited. That's at least the A- I give him, and I only give him the -, because of some bad contracts with mediocre players. Lol, that was a great group for 2-14. They gave up on the prior regime and that same core of guys he inherited was who Reid got the most out of. If anyone deserves the A it is Reid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablueguy 0 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Lol, that was a great group for 2-14. They gave up on the prior regime and that same core of guys he inherited was who Reid got the most out of. If anyone deserves the A it is Reid. They were 2-14, no matter how great a group they were. Why does Reid deserve an A-, and not the guy getting him the players? I'd give Andy a B+ overall. He was not quite as good at his job as Dorsey was at his, IMO, but I wouldn't argue if someone gave him an A- as well. They were a great team, however, and it took a real foolish owner to break them up. And we're finding out more and more how foolish that owner actually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerborn77 276 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Dorsey inherited a 2-14 team. In his first season of running things, he went 11-5. The Chiefs overall record where he ran drafts and Free Agency was 53-27. That record in itself is great, but even greater because of how quickly the turnaround happened and what he inherited. That's at least the A- I give him, and I only give him the -, because of some bad contracts with mediocre players. Maybe I’m missing something and this is only about the first season because Dorsey did great rebuilding our roster afterwards but to say it was him who did it in his first year is a bit grasping there. What player(s) did he bring in to make that big of an impact in just one year? I get over the years but that one year jump is more on coaches than a changing roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablueguy 0 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Maybe I’m missing something and this is only about the first season because Dorsey did great rebuilding our roster afterwards but to say it was him who did it in his first year is a bit grasping there. What player(s) did he bring in to make that big of an impact in just one year? I get over the years but that one year jump is more on coaches than a changing roster. The roster turnover from 2012 to 2013 was about 50%, if I remember correctly. Among others, he brought in Fisher, Kelce, Davis, Cooper, Parker, Abdullah, Avery, Howard, DeVito, Fasano, Schwartz. He gets credit for the players he brought in and the roster turnover. Some worked out better than others. He was learning, but he did a good job overall in 2013. He got better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonder 47 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 C+ Dorsey was extremely overrated. His best value was waiver wire guys, but most of his signings were when they were first on the waiver wire in his first year. The 2014 draft was a disaster (Dee Ford/Phillip Gaines suck) He got Marcus Peters completely wrong He whiffed extremely badly on a 3rd rd pick (KeiVarae Russell) He was able to draft a few star players so he gets credit, but ultimately he was below average on cap management and free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 The roster turnover from 2012 to 2013 was about 50%, if I remember correctly. Among others, he brought in Fisher, Kelce, Davis, Cooper, Parker, Abdullah, Avery, Howard, DeVito, Fasano, Schwartz. He gets credit for the players he brought in and the roster turnover. Some worked out better than others. He was learning, but he did a good job overall in 2013. He got better. Lol Davis had 79 rushes for 242 yards. Casino had 200 yards reception in his first year here. Kelce did not get any stats. Fisher played RT and struggled. Hussein took a while to get back in the game from his 2 year lay off. Schwartz did not get going until late in the season. The core group already here was what turned it around with Reid coaching. Most of these other types were depth and competition at the time. Don't forget about Dunta Robinson and how his money was well spent too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 C+ Dorsey was extremely overrated. His best value was waiver wire guys, but most of his signings were when they were first on the waiver wire in his first year. The 2014 draft was a disaster (Dee Ford/Phillip Gaines suck) He got Marcus Peters completely wrong He whiffed extremely badly on a 3rd rd pick (KeiVarae Russell) He was able to draft a few star players so he gets credit, but ultimately he was below average on cap management and free agency. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 The 2012 Chiefs had 6 pro bowl players on a 2-14 team. They couldn't win because of coaching and qb. Reid and Smith turned them around there was no other player Dorsey brought in other than Smith that was the reason for the turn around. Alex Smith was here because of Reid. Dorsey did a great job at first in finding cheap free agents that played well and hit on a few draft picks. After that, the amount of bad picks outweighed the good and he was horrible at managing the cap and contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablueguy 0 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Lol Davis had 79 rushes for 242 yards. Casino had 200 yards reception in his first year here. Kelce did not get any stats. Fisher played RT and struggled. Hussein took a while to get back in the game from his 2 year lay off. Schwartz did not get going until late in the season. The core group already here was what turned it around with Reid coaching. Most of these other types were depth and competition at the time. Don't forget about Dunta Robinson and how his money was well spent too. Hated that signing AT THE TIME, when the usual suspects defended it. Didn't like other contracts that the usual suspects defended. Point is, there was massive roster turnover. Dorsey did a good job in 2013, and a better one thereafter. He was a great overall GM, and That's why he got another job so quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 Dorsey was fired in April and hired by Cleveland in December after the season was pretty much over. Teams couldve easily fired their GM and hired Dorsey during the summer. The draft and free agency were already over. Hired by Cleveland. Not Pittsburgh, not Green Bay, not the Giants, Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCSLC2008 606 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Out of curiosity, why would a team that said they wanted the deal kept quiet all of a sudden let the terms slip? Or why, if it's such a shitty deal would the Chiefs let it slip? Or, can we wait and see what is actually agreed upon on 14 March. All of this is speculation by some non Rams or Chiefs personnel right? If, the rumors are correct so be it. Maybe asking for it to be kept a secret until March 14 was the difference between being leaked a couple days ago versus today? Maybe a day spreads out the sshock? I feel that we let the world know about the Smith trade so that they cannot back out of it. Maybe the Rams did the same thing here? Obviously, we could back out, but that would be terrible for PR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablueguy 0 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Dorsey was fired in April and hired by Cleveland in December after the season was pretty much over. Teams couldve easily fired their GM and hired Dorsey during the summer. The draft and free agency were already over. Hired by Cleveland. Not Pittsburgh, not Green Bay, not the Giants, Cleveland. How many openings were there between when the season started and December? Dorsey was the top candidate for both, and got one, when they didn't let him leave to go to the other one. He was never going to GB, in spite of the usual shills at the time saying that's why he was fired, because he wanted to go back to GB. Pittsburgh? Wasn't aware they have/had a GM opening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NChiefsCorner 496 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Kendall Fuller was the 4th ranked CB according to PFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 How many openings were there between when the season started and December? Dorsey was the top candidate for both, and got one, when they didn't let him leave to go to the other one. He was never going to GB, in spite of the usual shills at the time saying that's why he was fired, because he wanted to go back to GB. Pittsburgh? Wasn't aware they have/had a GM opening. It was the Giants that had the opening and scheduled an interview with Dorsey. Browns hired him the same day the interviewed him though and Giants never had a chance to do the interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablueguy 0 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 It was the Giants that had the opening and scheduled an interview with Dorsey. Browns hired him the same day the interviewed him though and Giants never had a chance to do the interview. Yep, Dorsey was the prize Free Agent, and Cleve didn't even let him out of the building to hear from the competition. Great job by them. Remains to be seen if Dorsey made the right decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpath1368 1 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Why is everyone assuming he’s going to hold out this year? That would be bad for his career as KC owns his contract for three more years. Even if they get two more quality years from him and get a 3rd comp after that it’s still better than what they got. Yes he has problems but that’s a lot of players. He literally has won games and has like 19 ints in 3 yrs are you kidding me? This is why the get paid the big bucks ( GM/ Coaches) they need to get players on board and finesse egos do whatever but trade him for no value in return. He was a 1st rd pick that played like a top 5 pick and Chiefs trade him for a 2nd two years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sith13 1,746 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Why is everyone assuming he’s going to hold out this year? That would be bad for his career as KC owns his contract for three more years. Even if they get two more quality years from him and get a 3rd comp after that it’s still better than what they got. Yes he has problems but that’s a lot of players. He literally has won games and has like 19 ints in 3 yrs are you kidding me? This is why the get paid the big bucks ( GM/ Coaches) they need to get players on board and finesse egos do whatever but trade him for no value in return. He was a 1st rd pick that played like a top 5 pick and Chiefs trade him for a 2nd two years from now. Rookies aren't allowed to hold out with the new CBA. They must report to the TC on the specified date so there was never an issue about a holdout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcchief4lif 910 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Good lord. If a player is this damn polarizing on a freaking chiefs forum. I can only imagine what it was like for the team!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCJohnKC 33 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Unbelievable they couldn't make this work... A serious stain on this franchise. Horrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Good lord. If a player is this damn polarizing on a freaking chiefs forum. I can only imagine what it was like for the team!! We don't know if he was polarizing . We are just making assumptions and trying to give meaning to pretty much everything public he did to justify the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCJohnKC 33 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 We don't know if he was polarizing . We are just making assumptions and trying to give meaning to pretty much everything public he did to justify the trade. I disagree. For me it doesn't take much to see this kid is polarizing. In a number of different aspects. Not all of it is negative either and quite honestly I'd say most of it is positive. Unfortunately this is all about the protest and the behavior is just the excuse. It makes no difference to anyone but I've just lost a healthy portion of respect for Clark Hunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 Kendall Fuller was the 4th ranked CB according to PFF. Peters was 15th, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 It was the Giants that had the opening and scheduled an interview with Dorsey. Browns hired him the same day the interviewed him though and Giants never had a chance to do the interview. The point I was making is that any team could've hired Dorsey at anytime after the draft. Similar with what the Chiefs did with Dorsey and Veach. I doubt if any of us lost our job in April and didn't find a new one until December we'd be saying "Yeah, I got fired but I found a new job immediately!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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