Palangi 788 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Its going to take more than one draft to get this defense where it needs to be. You're right. But it's a start, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerborn77 276 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 you are never going to have a juggernaut on both sides of the ball, this offense could be up there with the 2003 chiefs offense but the good news is the defense even as it stands now is WAY better than the 2003 chiefs defense, especially if we do continue to add young talent to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 You're right. But it's a start, right? They already have a good start yes. We have excellent players in every position group already. You can build on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 They already have a good start yes. We have excellent players in every position group already. You can build on that.I agree. There is some good youth and speed already here. We'll see how it develops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Where’s the pass rush coming from? Secondary hasn’t proven anything with these changes. We need defensive help and depth is the bottom line. How is this concept so disagreeable? While we’ve got a nice core to build around, we need to hammer away at building youth and speed on this unit through the next two drafts. With three picks in the top 50-60 next year, that’s probably unfortunately what we will have to wait for to see significant help. But Hitchens, Ragland and Fuller are a nice start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 getting Ford and Berry back will be a huge help to the defense since they missed all of last year. Does it solve all the problems? No, but with those 2 healthy they're still ahead of where they were last year. Don't forget the Chiefs got a pretty good CB back in the Smith trade so losing Peters and getting Fuller is almost a wash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Maybe with Berry back, Houston will be dropping less often and get back to pressuring the passer. Also, it will be interesting to see if KPas will earn a role after another off season under his belt. If the Chiefs can replace Logan, they have a chance to be a little better this year on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 you are never going to have a juggernaut on both sides of the ball, this offense could be up there with the 2003 chiefs offense but the good news is the defense even as it stands now is WAY better than the 2003 chiefs defense, especially if we do continue to add young talent to it This notion some people have that we are headed towards another Vermeil era is ridiculous. Vermeil was out there signing any 30 something veteran he could to patchwork a core defense which had almost no real talent. Meanwhile Veach is getting rid of any declining defensive player on the roster. We may have to replace as many as six starters and its not going to happen overnight. We had a really young offense at QB, WR and RB and free agency sprinkled in to compliment these stud players makes sense. On the other side we are largely going to need to draft the new core and thats fine. I think its the plan. But let's not act like we aren't focused on defense just because we signed a high profile WR and are looking at some backup types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend of AC 269 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 you said it was a shell. I said it was the same with some upgrades already and the draft to come still. Pass rush comes from Houston, Ford, Jones. You expect Kpass to take a step up and Dadi to show something. Don't be so finicky and complain to complain Okay sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,690 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 This notion some people have that we are headed towards another Vermeil era is ridiculous. Vermeil was out there signing any 30 something veteran he could to patchwork a core defense which had almost no real talent. Meanwhile Veach is getting rid of Veany declining defensive player on the roster. We may have to replace as many as six starters and its not going to happen overnight. We had a really young offense at QB, WR and RB and free agency sprinkled in to compliment these stud players makes sense. On the other side we are largely going to need to draft the new core and thats fine. I think its the plan. But let's not act like we aren't focused on defense just because we signed a high profile WR and are looking at some backup types. I would suggest a review of that Defensive Roster.. then do the math on their Birthdays you'll also see that other than John Browning, Jerome Woods and Dexter McCleon the starters were all under 30 and there was certainly talent our Defensive coaching I'd argue was the real issue...Where as most of our O-Line was 30 or more and I would be remiss to mention the names of Priest Holmes. T-rich and Eddie Kennison..and last but not least 33 yo Trent Green & 43 YO Morten Anderson https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kan/2003_roster.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Maybe with Berry back, Houston will be dropping less often and get back to pressuring the passer. Also, it will be interesting to see if KPas will earn a role after another off season under his belt. If the Chiefs can replace Logan, they have a chance to be a little better this year on defense. I think we will be a little better than last year and finally have two high end inside linebackers to help with tackling issues which have plagued us the past few years. If Ford can generate the pass rush he did in 2016, it will almost certainly allow more opportunity for Houston. Secondary is a major work in progress, but Fuller and Berry seem better than Peters and Parker. And a healthy Nelson all season does help. The rest is about a wash. Dline isn't going to be much improved and will likely take a few years to rebuild the right way. In short I'd agree with you that we will be a little better on defense. Just not nearly enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I would suggest a review of that Defensive Roster.. then do the math on their Birthdays you'll also see that other than John Browning, Jerome Woods and Dexter McCleon the starters were all under 30 and there was certainly talent our Defensive coaching I'd argue was the real issue...Where as most of our O-Line was 30 or more and I would be remiss to mention the names of Priest Holmes. T-rich and Eddie Kennison..and last but not least 33 yo Trent Green & 43 YO Morten Anderson https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kan/2003_roster.htm Let me rephrase then. The Vermeil era was littered with signing under performing, declining defensive players in their late 20s, early 30s. Sammy Knight, Pat Surtain, Shaun Barber, Lionel Dalton, Dexter McCleon, Vonnie Holliday, Dewayne Washington, Marvcus Patton and Lewis Bush all qualify. DV came here to prove he was the architect of the greatest show on turf and did just that with a bunch of aging veterans. That era is so fondly remembered but accomplished so little because they couldn't develop a defense around the largely overpaid busts mentioned above. If we are trying to build a defense like that, I'd be worried. Especially if supplemented by early draft picks like Ryan Sims. And if you know the story behind the laughable reasons we drafted that guy, it only adds to the intrigue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,690 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Let me rephrase then. The Vermeil era was littered with signing under performing, declining defensive players in their late 20s, early 30s. Sammy Knight, Pat Surtain, Shaun Barber, Lionel Dalton, Dexter McCleon, Vonnie Holliday, Dewayne Washington, Marvcus Patton and Lewis Bush all qualify. DV came here to prove he was the architect of the greatest show on turf and did just that with a bunch of aging veterans. That era is so fondly remembered but accomplished so little because they couldn't develop a defense around the largely overpaid busts mentioned above. If we are trying to build a defense like that, I'd be worried. Especially if supplemented by early draft picks like Ryan Sims. And if you know the story behind the laughable reasons we drafted that guy, it only adds to the intrigue. yea the definition of incompetence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moons314 2,463 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Sign him up. With are going Texas tech across the board. We might trade Kareem hunt for another wr. I like the moves, I really do, but I’m scared shitless that Reid is going to be too pass happy and Hunt is going to have 700 yards rushing for the entire season. Having weapons is a good thing, but Reid’s past history worries me. I’m concerned Hunt is going to be a 10 carry, 3 catch guy in most games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefThunder 153 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Has Galette signed with anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,017 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I like the moves, I really do, but I’m scared shitless that Reid is going to be too pass happy and Hunt is going to have 700 yards rushing for the entire season. Having weapons is a good thing, but Reid’s past history worries me. I’m concerned Hunt is going to be a 10 carry, 3 catch guy in most games.Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I like the moves, I really do, but I’m scared shitless that Reid is going to be too pass happy and Hunt is going to have 700 yards rushing for the entire season. Having weapons is a good thing, but Reid’s past history worries me. I’m concerned Hunt is going to be a 10 carry, 3 catch guy in most games. The cornerstone of an Andy Reid offense is usually the RB. Yes he absolutely gets too cute with the play calling, but likewise he knows how to get huge production from his RBs. And don’t forget our new OC is a running back. Signing Damian Williams is another sign it’s not going to be a forgotten position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 The cornerstone of an Andy Reid offense is usually the RB. Yes he absolutely gets too cute with the play calling, but likewise he knows how to get huge production from his RBs. And don’t forget our new OC is a running back. Signing Damian Williams is another sign it’s not going to be a forgotten position. Mike you know damn well that there has been halves, and even entire games where Reid has basically forgotten to call plays for his RB. He did it with Charles, he did it with Hunt. They collectively managed to do it during a playoff game last year with him, Childress, Bienemy, and Nagy all there involved. How does that happen? How does not one of these guys tap another one on the shoulder and say "hey...we have the fucking league leader in rushing yards out there picking up blitzes". It's a valid concern on Moon's part. Personally I think our offense is going to be so dynamic that it's gonna be a "pick your poison" type of deal, but I'm sure not going to be surprised when there are games in which a healthy Kareem Hunt gets 11 or 12 carries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Mike you know damn well that there has been halves, and even entire games where Reid has basically forgotten to call plays for his RB. He did it with Charles, he did it with Hunt. They collectively managed to do it during a playoff game last year with him, Childress, Bienemy, and Nagy all there involved. How does that happen? How does not one of these guys tap another one on the shoulder and say "hey...we have the fucking league leader in rushing yards out there picking up blitzes". It's a valid concern on Moon's part. Personally I think our offense is going to be so dynamic that it's gonna be a "pick your poison" type of deal, but I'm sure not going to be surprised when there are games in which a healthy Kareem Hunt gets 11 or 12 carries. As I said situationally Andy can get too cute on a small scale. But the overall production of his RBs speaks for itself. He had a rookie LEAD the NFL in rushing last season for goodness sakes. Likewise Jamaal had the most productive season of his career with Andy and his red zone production absolutely exploded in Andy’s offense. My point is RBs play a huge role and have huge production in Andy’s offenses. That will absolutely continue this year with a healthy Hunt. Does Andy need to stay more patient with running game at times. Absolutely. But overall he’s one of the best in the business at utilizing his RBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend of AC 269 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Any word on Kendall? I can’t find anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Watson or Wright have not been signed at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Maybe they're just kicking the tires Or maybe someone is restructuring to clear up cap space and they're waiting on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Maybe they're just kicking the tires Or maybe someone is restructuring to clear up cap space and they're waiting on that Probably using KC as a springboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Probably using KC as a springboard. Could be. we may only want to pay short term prove it deals or vet min. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Can’t hurt to take a look. I like his skill set, but can’t see us offering a lot with all our other needs and WR looking pretty tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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