Chiefswinitall 60 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Said looked bad at training camp too. We need help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 This has been MO of this group since Andy Heck started coaching them. Very inconsistent. Good one week, bad the next. Fact he said it’s been a problem all camp long is concerning unless we want to give Mahomes a lesson in getting beat up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhitter 1,424 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 I've said in the past that the Oline was average. Not a single player is what I would consider Top 10 at their position. They look okay against lesser defenses but will get pushed around against the better ones. The only solace we can take is that they do tend to play more toward their ceiling as the season goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troyofoc 361 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 No matter what if we have Cam Erving starting we are in trouble. The guy is trash, and shows what we got if he can't be beat out. I was hoping to see him arriving at camp, in a contract year looking in the best shape of his life. Was displeased to see him looking the same as last year, soft and sloppy, no change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 May be it means our pass rush is better than expected ? Frankly I have never really liked our OL in this regime except for the first year. Most players don't progress enough with the current coaching. However I still think we have an average OL considering the front 7s in the AFC West. They tend to crumble in clutch though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLchief 3,126 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Frustrating. Andy's teams in Philly were always solid in the trenches. Don't know why they can't get it figured out here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,812 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 LG is a major issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 *sigh* I hate pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend of AC 269 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 This could be a major problem all year. I’m just confined to the notion that this year is going to be frustrating to watch at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 1 minute ago, CHiefSP said: This could be a major problem all year. I’m just confined to the notion that this year is going to be frustrating to watch at times. You guys do realize our OL was what, top 10 in pressures allowed/not allowed last year all while paving the way for the league's leading rusher, right? I don't disagree that 2018 is a transition year, especially on defense, but let's cut the shit based on 2 series on offense in the pre-season. Had we gone out and scored 2 offensive touchdowns and looked amazing all of you would be saying "Ya, we looked good, but it's just the pre-season." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend of AC 269 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, dksww said: You guys do realize our OL was what, top 10 in pressures allowed/not allowed last year all while paving the way for the league's leading rusher, right? I don't disagree that 2018 is a transition year, especially on defense, but let's cut the shit based on 2 series on offense in the pre-season. Had we gone out and scored 2 offensive touchdowns and looked amazing all of you would be saying "Ya, we looked good, but it's just the pre-season." I’m just stating the obvious. But, it’s entirely possible that the O line has actually regressed since last year, we’ll see. A lot of their success will be dependent on Mahomes success and vice versa. It’s only one meaningless preseason game, so let’s see if we get the same shit next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, dksww said: You guys do realize our OL was what, top 10 in pressures allowed/not allowed last year all while paving the way for the league's leading rusher, right? I don't disagree that 2018 is a transition year, especially on defense, but let's cut the shit based on 2 series on offense in the pre-season. Had we gone out and scored 2 offensive touchdowns and looked amazing all of you would be saying "Ya, we looked good, but it's just the pre-season." Our line has showed real promise every season and also regressed within that every season. I expect the same inconsistency to develop this year although clearly they aren’t in sync yet for the upside Again maybe I’m way off base, but Ive got a hunch Andy kind of set his young offense up to fail a bit last night. This last week of training camp is a real grind after playing a game. He can use this. We will see as the starters get some real PT over the next two weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilkie 1,518 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Hunt only carried the ball one time. The O line needs time to gel. My concern is the secondary. Brandon Weden shredded them. David Amerson had a horrible night. That 19 yard penalty was a killer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, CHiefSP said: I’m just stating the obvious. But, it’s entirely possible that the O line has actually regressed since last year, we’ll see. A lot of their success will be dependent on Mahomes success and vice versa. It’s only one meaningless preseason game, so let’s see if we get the same shit next week. Stop it. You can't tell dick based on 2 series on offense of the first pre-season game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend of AC 269 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mloe68 said: Our line has showed real promise every season and also regressed within that every season. I expect the same inconsistency to develop this year although clearly they aren’t in sync yet for the upside Again maybe I’m way off base, but Ive got a hunch Andy kind of set his young offense up to fail a bit last night. This last week of training camp is a real grind after playing a game. He can use this. We will see as the starters get some real PT over the next two weeks. How would he set the offense up to fail? By telling the O line not to block? It’s inexplicable to me why any HC at the pro level would “set” an offense up to fail intentionally. Now, if you’re referring to the game plan being more conservative, that makes sense. But even a conservative game plan requires effective protection from the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, Mloe68 said: Our line has showed real promise every season and also regressed within that every season. I expect the same inconsistency to develop this year although clearly they aren’t in sync yet for the upside Again maybe I’m way off base, but Ive got a hunch Andy kind of set his young offense up to fail a bit last night. This last week of training camp is a real grind after playing a game. He can use this. We will see as the starters get some real PT over the next two weeks. I dont' see how being top 10 in pressures not allowed and having the league's leading rusher is a regression. Half the sacks they did give up last year were Alex Smith being Alex Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend of AC 269 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 32 minutes ago, dksww said: Stop it. You can't tell dick based on 2 series on offense of the first pre-season game. I can tell they struggled, is that enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,017 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 9 hours ago, dhitter said: I've said in the past that the Oline was average. Not a single player is what I would consider Top 10 at their position. They look okay against lesser defenses but will get pushed around against the better ones. The only solace we can take is that they do tend to play more toward their ceiling as the season goes on. Schwartz is easily in the top 3 at his spot. the rest are poop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,017 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 48 minutes ago, wilkie said: Hunt only carried the ball one time. The O line needs time to gel. My concern is the secondary. Brandon Weden shredded them. David Amerson had a horrible night. That 19 yard penalty was a killer Berry wasn’t back their directing. That will help, but yes, Amerson looks like what some said he was. Maybe Nelson will win the spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend of AC 269 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Calichief said: Schwartz is easily in the top 3 at his spot. the rest are poop. Pretty much this. LDT has his moments, also. Our LT is dog shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend of AC 269 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Calichief said: Berry wasn’t back their directing. That will help, but yes, Amerson looks like what some said he was. Maybe Nelson will win the spot? Amerson is a bum. Dude had one decent year, got hurt, and hasn’t been the same since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, CHiefSP said: I can tell they struggled, is that enough? the Eagles lost 33-7 to the Ravens. By your standards, they should be very concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend of AC 269 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, dksww said: the Eagles lost 33-7 to the Ravens. By your standards, they should be very concerned. I’m talking about the Chiefs O line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 1 hour ago, dksww said: I dont' see how being top 10 in pressures not allowed and having the league's leading rusher is a regression. Half the sacks they did give up last year were Alex Smith being Alex Smith. Alex saw ghosts, but those ghosts were almost always derived from previous pressure, especially in that game. And also keep in mind Alex’s mobility also bailed the oline out at times. I think that’s a wash. Most pertenant to pressure was the Alex Smith dink and dunk offense. To take advantage of Mahomes skills we will need more play action. Andy’s great at that kind of stuff so it will improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,210 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Nelson might beat out Amerson, but that doesn't solve the CB problem. Three will be on the field for most plays and unless some rookie steps up, Amerson will be picked on consistently. Remember how Bartee was targeted every time the other team had a critical play? We've seen his rodeo before. Didn't like the Amerson signing.....still don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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