wilkie 1,518 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 O catches for 0 yards in two preseason games. Last week he was targeted 3 times. 2 of the 3 passes were behind him. The third one he dropped. I think Mahomes not comfortable with him and does not look for him during progressions. But I am still a little bit concerned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 I think he will have some good games over all but will he be worth the $$?? I am doubtful. His contract is basically a 2 year deal and I think thats as long as he'll be here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 My guess is that he’s struggling having to learn all the WR positions that Andy demands. This is definitely a tough offense for WRs to learn. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a 5 catch, 87 yard type game in tbe opener though. I just think that little of preseason stats. Really like to see him make a few plays on Saturday though anyway. As you suggest he’s gotta have or get the trust of Mahomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggjliv4 1,292 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Considering the offense spent about 5 min on the field the first half of the last game, I think it's a bit early to draw conclusions on Sammy. Our defense is atrocious on the other hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 yep, complete bust. won't catch a pass all year. OR the Chiefs' don't wanna tip their hand showing off their shiny new toy in meaningless pre-season games. You decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Hunt, 2.0 yards per carry and 0 TDs in 2 preseason games. Cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 hour ago, dksww said: yep, complete bust. won't catch a pass all year. OR the Chiefs' don't wanna tip their hand showing off their shiny new toy in meaningless pre-season games. You decide. yea thats it lol.. if you would listen to the people who actually go to practice and are in the locker room its apparent that Watkins and PMII just have not clicked yet. Sammy has yet to have a steller season with the other 2 teams he's been with so to date its all combine times and potential that has gotten him this far. I'm not calling him a bust he just very well may not be worth his paycheck.. thats a pretty high bar set for him. JMAC 2.0 if you will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Cut noodle arm Mahomes too and see if Washington will trade us Smith back for a 1st and 2 second rounders next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,662 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 29 minutes ago, oldtimer said: Sammy has yet to have a steller season with the other 2 teams he's been with so to date its all combine times and potential that has gotten him this far. He's 18 yards short of having two 1000 yard receiving years. Then he got hurt. I'm not sure what stellar means, but he's been pretty good prior to the injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 lol if Sammy Watkins looked great in the pre-season people would just say it was against back ups or whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilkie 1,518 Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 Everything you say is true but he has played three quarters of football with no receptions. Watching him on TV it seems he doesn't always finish his pass patterns and in the first game he looked lost in traffic. The jury is still out on him in my opinion but I am willing to give him time to learn the offense. In the meantime, he has to get Patrick Mahomes attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, wilkie said: Everything you say is true but he has played three quarters of football with no receptions. Watching him on TV it seems he doesn't always finish his pass patterns and in the first game he looked lost in traffic. The jury is still out on him in my opinion but I am willing to give him time to learn the offense. In the meantime, he has to get Patrick Mahomes attention. The jury is not out, he's proved to be a very good receiver in past seasons playing with awful qbs. Just because he hasn't done anything in pre-season doesn't mean anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 29 minutes ago, dksww said: The jury is not out, he's proved to be a very good receiver in past seasons playing with awful qbs. Just because he hasn't done anything in pre-season doesn't mean anything. Yes it does. It means he has done nothing in pre season......sheesh. No getting bent out of shape over pre season. They work in things and use it for better practice reps with live competition and to use it to set up depth. We have seen the opposite where a player lights it up only to not do shit in the real games too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 2 hours ago, oldtimer said: yea thats it lol.. if you would listen to the people who actually go to practice and are in the locker room its apparent that Watkins and PMII just have not clicked yet. Sammy has yet to have a steller season with the other 2 teams he's been with so to date its all combine times and potential that has gotten him this far. I'm not calling him a bust he just very well may not be worth his paycheck.. thats a pretty high bar set for him. JMAC 2.0 if you will Remember, Alex Smith played for umpteen different HCs and OCs and it wasn't until he had consistency in HC and OC before he actually flourished. I know some will say he never flourished but he played pretty damn good for the Chiefs. Hopefully Watkins will also. If not, he's gone in two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 hour ago, reesebobby said: He's 18 yards short of having two 1000 yard receiving years. Then he got hurt. I'm not sure what stellar means, but he's been pretty good prior to the injury. Stellar? Pro Bowl maybe?..top 10 WR in the league?.. he's been non of these Reading Comprehension Reese.. I'm questioning if he will live up to his pay check.. thats it but maybe you'll comprehend this article..it makes my point in anther way. you can read the entire article but here are some excerpts https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-heres-why-sammy-watkins-contract-is-a-game-changer-for-the-wr-market/ The most surprising deal belongs to Sammy Watkins, who got a three-year, $48 million contract with $30 million fully guaranteed from the Chiefs. The 2014 fourth-overall pick is being paid like an elite receiver without matching production. Watkins caught a rather pedestrian 39 passes for 593 yards and eight touchdowns with the Rams last season after being traded from the Bills during training camp. Watkins' only 1,000-receiving-yard season came in 2015. The Watkins contract is game changer in the wide-receiver market because of his lack of productivity. Jones, who is arguably the best wide receiver in the NFL, is underpaid relative to Watkins. He is scheduled to make $34.426 million over the next three years, which includes $10.5 million this season. Watkins, whose three-year contract includes a $21 million signing bonus, is making $34 million in the first two years. Jones has averaged slightly over 100 receptions and almost 1,600 receiving yards a season since Watkins' NFL career began in 2014. The five-time Pro Bowler had one of the most prolific seasons for a wide receiver in 2015 when he had 136 catches for 1,871 yards. Both marks are the second-most ever in an NFL season. Jones' catches in 2015 are nine more than Watkins has had over the last three seasons. Watkins' 2,070 receiving yards during this span are just about 200 more than Jones' 2015 total. The Chiefs aren't paying Watkins, who turns 25 next month, based on past performance but on the speedster's expected contribution Watkins may not have an easy time justifying his contract through his play because of Kansas City's other offensive weapons Watkins's contract is not only a potential headache for the Chiefs, but also the rest of the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Chiefsfan1963 said: Remember, Alex Smith played for umpteen different HCs and OCs and it wasn't until he had consistency in HC and OC before he actually flourished. I know some will say he never flourished but he played pretty damn good for the Chiefs. Hopefully Watkins will also. If not, he's gone in two years. Yep I'm not wishing anything but a 1000+ yard seasons but that contract is a bugger..he's getting paid better tha Julio Jones right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,662 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Fair enough that he might not be worth the dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 With this zero production status so far here's a pretty good breakdown of his play last year from from a Rams perspective..Should get optimism ramped back up he's got a chance to really help us. But I'd agree with OT he's got a LONG way in any scenario to being worth that contract. And as Wilkie suggests the guy in these film clips has yet to arrive here yet. And I'm no doctor but I wil say he's actually looked a little gimpy out there to me, like the foot or something is bothering him. Hopefully that is nothing. It's really early though and I'll still go with 5 catches for 87 yards in the opener. https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2017/11/29/16712132/los-angeles-rams-nfl-sammy-watkins-tape-study-scouting-report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, oldtimer said: Yep I'm not wishing anything but a 1000+ yard seasons but that contract is a bugger..he's getting paid better tha Julio Jones right now We were also a MISERABLE passing offense in the red zone last year and Watkins has been really good down there considering his QBs and the number of targets. Gotta think Veach overpayed to fix our biggest offensive need combined with the high end potential. I don't like the contract but at least the kid is only 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 lol all the weeping and gnashing of teeth and the real games haven't even started yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, xen said: lol all the weeping and gnashing of teeth and the real games haven't even started yet. Hes played 24 fucking snaps! 24 Xen! How is this real life? I mean people really believe that they are supposed to be in mid season form. Its crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 At least people in KC have come by their mistrust honestly. This is my thoughts on the matter... it may take a while to get Mahomes and Sammy on the same page, for a few reasons... 1. Young QBs learn to trust inside receivers faster than outside receivers, mostly because they run easier routes to throw. 2) Kelce and Tyreek i see as more likely to run out of the slot. And 3) Reid is hard on receivers, they notoriously take a while to get his offense down, and both Reid and Sammy have said Reid is asking him to learn and do a lot more than any other coach has asked of him. All that will probably not come together quickly. That said, advanced stats and analytics really likes Sammy. For instance, PFF has him dropping zero catchable balls last year. He also had two near 1000 yard season with jack and shit for a qb. If you watch his cutups, the guy gets open. Like a lot. So who knows. I tend to think it will be tough to live up to that contract only because there's so many mouths to feed in this offense. he could be playing like a number one midway through the season and still not have the stats to show for it just because of how many good skill players we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 He may end up being a bust but we don’t know yet. Tough to earn that contract but again too soon. Houston is on pace for zero sacks. Do I think that will be the case? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilkie 1,518 Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 Mahomes has got to look for him. With Kelce, Hunt and Hill already great targets and the emergence of Robinson there only so many chances to get the ball. So far they have not been on the same page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend of AC 269 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 17 hours ago, dksww said: The jury is not out, he's proved to be a very good receiver in past seasons playing with awful qbs. Just because he hasn't done anything in pre-season doesn't mean anything. Very good is a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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