Chiefswinitall 60 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I hear some of you complaining on other boards and here about the loss of Peters but we have FULLER! Our last year starting tandem was Peters and Nelson , right? Thats not great. So we are basically the same back there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhitter 1,424 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 The thing about Peters is he had great value as a guy who could create turnovers. Forcing the other team into turning the ball over has many benefits. It takes away a scoring opportunity. It gives the Chiefs offense 1 more scoring opportunity. And it tends to have a deflating affect on the other team. I valued Peters much more for turning the ball over vs. being a shutdown cover guy. Plus Peters was atrocious as a tackler. He'd rather try to strip the ball then nail a guy to the ground. That having been said...remains to be seen what all Fuller brings to the table. I agree with the notion though that we were 28th in the league in defense last year. Losing Peters is gonna do what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I think Mitchell and Revis played RCB. Nelson was mostly covering the slot receiver. Flowers and Carr weren't too bad for a while and even Sean Smith had a few good moments. Have to go back to Emmet Smith and Albert Lewis for the better corners. Who was the freakish talent they drafted #1 in the mid 1990s? Oh, yeah. Dale Carter. Along with Collins, Hasty, and Tounge, they had a pretty good defensive backfield. Didn't hurt that Neil Smith and Derrick Thomas were putting on the pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefswinitall 60 Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 We are 28th because of projects and fringe retirement guys who can't stay healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhitter 1,424 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Chiefswinitall said: We are 28th because of projects and fringe retirement guys who can't stay healthy. So losing Peters and sticking in someone like Fuller won't be a deciding factor. The single biggest issue I have is lack of a pass rush. Our secondary would look a whole lot better in our eyes if we could pressure the quarterback. Chiefs look like a bottom fiver in that category unless something changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,812 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Carter and Hasty were a hell of a tandem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerborn77 276 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 The issue is and it is long in the past now but we should have had both Fullers and Peters.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerborn77 276 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 9 hours ago, dhitter said: So losing Peters and sticking in someone like Fuller won't be a deciding factor. The single biggest issue I have is lack of a pass rush. Our secondary would look a whole lot better in our eyes if we could pressure the quarterback. Chiefs look like a bottom fiver in that category unless something changes. Yup, this doesn't help any. If we get no production out of Ford then teams will take out Houston in double teams and we might as well be playing 11 on 7.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Peters and S. Smith were pretty good in 2015, before that you have to go back to Hasty and Dale Carter together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Carr and Flowers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thegoatee 1,781 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Our defense in general hasn’t been consistently good since Marty. Carter and Hasty plus a pass rush. Too bad those years were wasted with 49er backup QBs. Flowers and Carr for maybe one year. Peters and Smith for one year. It is hard to have great corners together. Just wish we didn’t have so many projects, old guys, and reclamation projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 19 minutes ago, Thegoatee said: Our defense in general hasn’t been consistently good since Marty. Carter and Hasty plus a pass rush. Too bad those years were wasted with 49er backup QBs. Flowers and Carr for maybe one year. Peters and Smith for one year. It is hard to have great corners together. Just wish we didn’t have so many projects, old guys, and reclamation projects. Our defense was pretty darn good from 2013-2015 before age caught up with core guys. Dorsey just set us back a few years in reworking the group by handing out bad contracts to declining players. Now we are trying to rebuild group on the fly which isn't easy but Veach has shown some discipline in not desperately throwing money at veterans trying to fix it fast. Next years draft with likely 3 picks in the top 50 will be huge. As will development of a lot of young guys this year. We are one of the youngest teams in the NFL and probably going to keep getting younger next offseason. To answer question its Peters and Smith in 2015. We were second in the NFL in INTs and fifth in YPA defense (a massively important stat) that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 William Bartee and Eric Warfield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilkie 1,518 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 21 hours ago, Chiefswinitall said: I hear some of you complaining on other boards and here about the loss of Peters but we have FULLER! Our last year starting tandem was Peters and Nelson , right? Thats not great. So we are basically the same back there? Albert Lewis and Kevin Ross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,812 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 hour ago, xen said: William Bartee and Eric Warfield? Shut your face! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 hours ago, xen said: William Bartee and Eric Warfield? In fairness to Warfield he does own the all time DUI record for a Chiefs player. Really shocking thing about these two is that they combined to play 15 seasons here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhitter 1,424 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 hours ago, xen said: William Bartee and Eric Warfield? Ahhh yes....William Burntee and Eric Where's The Field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 13 hours ago, Handswarmer said: Carr and Flowers Carr's final year before leaving for Dallas was a great year of Flowers and Carr. I think his career would have been better if he had stayed in KC, but Pioli made zero effort to keep him because he was a fat moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 11 hours ago, liquidfriend said: Carr's final year before leaving for Dallas was a great year of Flowers and Carr. I think his career would have been better if he had stayed in KC, but Pioli made zero effort to keep him because he was a fat moron. That we can agree upon. Flowers didn't play as well in Dallas, not really sure why. Carr has been awesome for us- 160 straight starts in the NFL at CB? Are you kidding me? And he still plays at a high level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 19 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: Flowers didn't play as well in Dallas, not really sure why. Probably because he was in San Diego. That's quite a distance to get back and forth to practice and games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 24 minutes ago, reesebobby said: Probably because he was in San Diego. That's quite a distance to get back and forth to practice and games. Ha! You are correct! I was thinking of Carr....my bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I know. My mind is like a NASA super computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I always thought Carr was better than Flowers. Flowers was high Lu over rated in coverage. Pretty good run defender though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 On 8/26/2018 at 11:18 PM, dhitter said: The thing about Peters is he had great value as a guy who could create turnovers. Forcing the other team into turning the ball over has many benefits. It takes away a scoring opportunity. It gives the Chiefs offense 1 more scoring opportunity. And it tends to have a deflating affect on the other team. I valued Peters much more for turning the ball over vs. being a shutdown cover guy. Plus Peters was atrocious as a tackler. He'd rather try to strip the ball then nail a guy to the ground. That having been said...remains to be seen what all Fuller brings to the table. I agree with the notion though that we were 28th in the league in defense last year. Losing Peters is gonna do what? Swapping Fuller for Peters really onky gives us a player we probably want to extend over one that we didn’t or he didn’t. Short term our secondary isn’t improved except for one gigantic X factor and that’s Eric Berry and his health Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burpo The Mad Clown 5,559 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 17 hours ago, wilkie said: Albert Lewis and Kevin Ross Man oh man, that was a defensive backfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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