SarcasticOne 24 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Every time the Chiefs get someone coming up for a new contract, we always hear "Pay the man." Isn't it amazing how they always have "career" years when they are coming up for a new contract??? Anyhow, what about Dee Ford? Are we going to "Pay" him? The Chiefs "paid" Justin Houston and he hasn't matched his sack total in his "contract year" in the years since signing the contract. Eric Berry thanked the Chiefs for paying him why he sat with cancer by getting to be paid the highest safety in NFL history. With his $20m bonus, what has he made since then, $35-40 million for the 3/4 of a game he's played since signing the new contract. Can't you see after getting his new contract Ford having a steady stream of back and groin issues? So, seeing the history, do we "pay" Dee Ford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,694 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 you do live up to your name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhitter 1,426 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I wouldn't give him a long tern contract...no way. Too many injuries and hot and cold play. When he is on....look out. But a couple years ago he had 10 sacks in a nine game stretch and then all but disappeared the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarcasticOne 24 Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 Sigh. You are right, Oldtimer. I wish we could look back and say, "Hey, we extended this guy for a great contract, and look how he has done." There have been some, such as Kelce. Does anyone remember Chester McGlockton! Those were the bad days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefmanzada 466 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, dhitter said: I wouldn't give him a long tern contract...no way. Too many injuries and hot and cold play. When he is on....look out. But a couple years ago he had 10 sacks in a nine game stretch and then all but disappeared the rest of the season. He’s elite on the left side. I believe when he had 10 sacks he then got switched to the right side because Houston came back from injury. Keep him on the left. Hope he stays healthy for this season. Money talks after the season but for now I franchise tag him a year. Without him our rush is fudged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefmanzada 466 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 These pass rushers prefer sides. Hali never liked the opposite side, we always saw him rush the blind side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,694 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, Chiefmanzada said: He’s elite on the left side. I believe when he had 10 sacks he then got switched to the right side because Houston came back from injury. Keep him on the left. Hope he stays healthy for this season. Money talks after the season but for now I franchise tag him a year. Without him our rush is fudged. & thats why your not a GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,613 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Nope. He cant stay healthy and never has played up to where we drafted him The only way we get him back is for a reasonable contract but someone will over pay and we will get a 3rd round comp back. Use the money to pay other players coming up instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,694 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 14 mil to 17 mil whether he is listed a LB or a DE is fuckn stupid..he a cant stay of the field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefmanzada 466 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, kkuenn said: Nope. He cant stay healthy and never has played up to where we drafted him The only way we get him back is for a reasonable contract but someone will over pay and we will get a 3rd round comp back. Use the money to pay other players coming up instead. Idk man I think if he stays healthy this year he’ll get a contract. He’s rushing and hustling all over the place, really giving this D a ton of energy for the start of the Mahomes era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefmanzada 466 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Reid and Veach are talent recognizers, and to be honest Ford is a talent in the same manner as Miller and DT, speed rushing and the nonstop hustling. I’m loving me some DEE FORD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Can't stay healthy. Let someone else overpay him and take the comp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Ford is elite??? You must be really high. Not even talking about talent at the Miller/DT level. He's a decent pass rusher at best which is when he's healthy and has a good matchup. Still a one trick pony but has some good power rush performances as well at time. However he's no more than a situational player for the Chiefs. Can't cover or stop the run and gets beat more often than not while rushing the passer. This might be his best season so far and the Steelers made a fool of him with guys running all over and around him freely. Also he has never stayed healthy long enough to actually be a consistent guy. I like that he's putting up some numbers this year, if he gets a decent deal in FA we will get a good pick in return but even thinking about something more than that could be considered crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 One Year Franchise Tag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggjliv4 1,292 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Nope nope nope, even if he posts 20 sacks this year I'd let him walk. Guy can't stay on the field, liability in the run, streaky as he'll and only playing through injury now due to contract year. Unless it's an incentive based contract, let him walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 2 hours ago, sith13 said: Ford is elite??? You must be really high. Not even talking about talent at the Miller/DT level. He's a decent pass rusher at best which is when he's healthy and has a good matchup. Still a one trick pony but has some good power rush performances as well at time. However he's no more than a situational player for the Chiefs. Can't cover or stop the run and gets beat more often than not while rushing the passer. This might be his best season so far and the Steelers made a fool of him with guys running all over and around him freely. Also he has never stayed healthy long enough to actually be a consistent guy. I like that he's putting up some numbers this year, if he gets a decent deal in FA we will get a good pick in return but even thinking about something more than that could be considered crazy. If you think he is a "decent pass rusher at best" you clearly are watching a different team that the rest of us. He has been a dominant, game changing pass rusher this year. If you are talking about his entire body of work and looking at stats only, then yes, he is a decent pass rusher at best. The player we are seeing right now is one of the better pass rushers in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 My thoughts are even with a big year this season he won't get top 5 pass rusher $ due to his injury history. IMO, if he's on pack to have like 15 sacks and 50-60 pressures I dont' see how you can find a replacement in FA or the draft. Let's let the season play out and just see how the off-season plays out. KC could always FT him on a 1 year prove it deal and go from there. Look at these #'s from yesterday, quite impressive, and yes, I realize he can't do this every week: BJ KisselVerified account @ChiefsReporter 1h1 hour ago Dee Ford's stat line against the #Jaguars on Sunday: 1 sack. 3 QB hits. 5 tackles. 1 forced fumble. 1 pass defensed. He came into the game second in the NFL w/ 23 QB pressures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thegoatee 1,781 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Ford has two or three good games a year. Then he disappears. I mean, Jacksonville was so bad that Speaks and #98, let alone Terrence Smith, were knocking Bortles down. That was probably the worst line we play all year. Absolutely do not give him big money. As iffy as Fisher can be at LT, at least we didn’t take Joeckle. That guy isn’t even with Jacksonville anymore and I think moved to guard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Thegoatee said: Ford has two or three good games a year. Then he disappears. I mean, Jacksonville was so bad that Speaks and #98, let alone Terrence Smith, were knocking Bortles down. That was probably the worst line we play all year. Absolutely do not give him big money. As iffy as Fisher can be at LT, at least we didn’t take Joeckle. That guy isn’t even with Jacksonville anymore and I think moved to guard? Ya, but that's not happening this year, Ford has been consistently getting pressure all season long so far. You may not have to give him big money because alot of other teams will be skeptical as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Confused about premise here. Are you saying we should let most of our second contract guys walk when they are just entering prime or just Dee Ford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thegoatee 1,781 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, dksww said: Ya, but that's not happening this year, Ford has been consistently getting pressure all season long so far. You may not have to give him big money because alot of other teams will be skeptical as well. If he stays healthy and plays this consistent all 16 games and shows up in the playoffs (assuming we don’t collapse), I am sure he will command something. I just don’t think we should be the ones tying up money on him. He isn’t a complete package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 20 minutes ago, Thegoatee said: Ford has two or three good games a year. Then he disappears. I mean, Jacksonville was so bad that Speaks and #98, let alone Terrence Smith, were knocking Bortles down. That was probably the worst line we play all year. Absolutely do not give him big money. As iffy as Fisher can be at LT, at least we didn’t take Joeckle. That guy isn’t even with Jacksonville anymore and I think moved to guard? He’s been a different player this year with sacks in four of our five games. I’m not paying him because of his back issues personally though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 19 minutes ago, Thegoatee said: If he stays healthy and plays this consistent all 16 games and shows up in the playoffs (assuming we don’t collapse), I am sure he will command something. I just don’t think we should be the ones tying up money on him. He isn’t a complete package. Who is that will be available? Do you know how hard Elite pass rushers that are also good against the run are to find? We can let Dee Ford walk all day in the off-season, but that doesn't mean we'll find a better one and most likely will not. I think most Chiefs' fans just can't get over Dee Ford actually improving into a great player. So what he's not elite against the run? This is a passing league and good pass rushers are at a premium. If Dee Ford continues this type of season the Chiefs will 100% re-sign him. Again, I don't think he'll get top 5 Pass Rusher money, but if he continues this pace and pay the Chiefs will re-sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,694 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, dksww said: Who is that will be available? Do you know how hard Elite pass rushers that are good against the run are to find? We can let Dee Ford walk all day in the off-season, but that doesn't mean we'll find a better one and most likely will not. I think most Chiefs' fans just can't get over Dee Ford actually improving into a great player. So what he's not elite against the run? This is a passing league and good pass rushers are a premium. I mean I get the dude gets injured often, but geez people, lets get off our high horse and not act like re-signing this guy after a career year is not a smart move for the Chiefs. lets see.. signed Houston after a "career year" ..and Berry as well..seems to be the Chiefs have been bitten in the ass signing players after a "career year", not over paying someone who cant stay healthy career year or not is understandable. Someone will over pay for him. I think the Chiefs let the market define his value and then decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 If you don't want to re-sign Dee Ford, that's fine, but then name the player they can get that's just as good or better. It's easy to sit there and say don't pay the guy no matter what, but by doing so it creates a huge hole that has to filled in FA or the draft. Name the player in FA or the draft that's played just as well as Ford has this season and how is that not just as big of a risk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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