PAChiefsFan79 136 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 45 minutes ago, Balto said: Alex Smith was playing well...So I guess we should not of traded up for Mahomes! Gaining Peterson would cause a trickle down effect! Peterson on the WR1 while now our other CBs that have been doing better can focus on WR2 and so on...This will also take pressure off our safeties and either allow them to double a teams WR2, TEs, roam, help LBs on run stopping and hell even send a secondary blitz or two! SOOO many options will be added for Sutton if Peterson becomes a Chief. Don't get me started IF(big IF) Berry ever comes back at full strength this season!!!! Regardless...KC was reported to be sending a 2nd to Seattle for Earl Thomas for a half year rental to go all out for a Super Bowl..You don't think they would send a 1st+more for a top 3 CB in the NFL that you will have for 3 years on a very very cheap contract for his services? I'm honestly surprised that Peterson isn't a Chief yet! Regarding Alex Smith...Dude, The Chiefs traded up to get a young potential stud. They didn't trade away picks to get an older QB to replace Alex. Not even comparable situations. I get what you are saying, BUT my answer to this is I do not want to see the Chiefs trade a draft pick that could be a good starter for 10 years so they can have a stud for 2 years. The Chiefs have a good record for the development of their day 1 and 2 draft picks. As for Earl Thomas RUMORS...well they were just that...RUMORS. We have no idea if the Chiefs were actually willing to send a 2nd round pick for his services. But even if the Chiefs were, I highly doubt they would have made the trade if their wasn't a contract extension as part of the talks so it would not have been for a half year rental. Do you want to know how I think this? Because the Chiefs highest paid WR Mr Sammie Watkins landed in KC via free agency despite Veach trying to obtain him the previous season via trade. Back when the Rams traded a player and a 2nd round pick for Watkins and a sixth round pick. They weren't willing to trade a 1st round pick for a younger player with the highest upside of any receiver in the NFL according to Veach's compliments of Watkins. This is NOT going to happen. I feel like I need to go AC style and claim this as fact. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Warpaint 3,251 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 24 minutes ago, PAChiefsFan79 said: Regarding Alex Smith...Dude, The Chiefs traded up to get a young potential stud. They didn't trade away picks to get an older QB to replace Alex. Not even comparable situations. I get what you are saying, BUT my answer to this is I do not want to see the Chiefs trade a draft pick that could be a good starter for 10 years so they can have a stud for 2 years. The Chiefs have a good record for the development of their day 1 and 2 draft picks. As for Earl Thomas RUMORS...well they were just that...RUMORS. We have no idea if the Chiefs were actually willing to send a 2nd round pick for his services. But even if the Chiefs were, I highly doubt they would have made the trade if their wasn't a contract extension as part of the talks so it would not have been for a half year rental. Do you want to know how I think this? Because the Chiefs highest paid WR Mr Sammie Watkins landed in KC via free agency despite Veach trying to obtain him the previous season via trade. Back when the Rams traded a player and a 2nd round pick for Watkins and a sixth round pick. They weren't willing to trade a 1st round pick for a younger player with the highest upside of any receiver in the NFL according to Veach's compliments of Watkins. This is NOT going to happen. I feel like I need to go AC style and claim this as fact. LOL! The key word in your statement is COULD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAChiefsFan79 136 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 44 minutes ago, KC Warpaint said: The key word in your statement is COULD... The Chiefs 1st round draft picks going back to 2013. Eric Fisher, Dee Ford, Marcus Peters, Patrick Mahomes. They are 4 out of 4 at drafting starters in the 1st round. I will take anyone of these players for a 10 year period over Peterson who is 29 and has 2 good years left in him before you start to watch the decline. I have faith in the Chiefs brass to continue their solid drafting in the top 3 rounds. Obviously, many on this board do not because you'd rather have a 2 year player than a 10 year player. We will not agree on this topic because of that one fundamental difference in perception. If the Chiefs trade for him I won't be mad. BUT I'd rather they not trade for him and think long term with the picks it would take to acquire him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, PAChiefsFan79 said: The Chiefs 1st round draft picks going back to 2013. Eric Fisher, Dee Ford, Marcus Peters, Patrick Mahomes. They are 4 out of 4 at drafting starters in the 1st round. I will take anyone of these players for a 10 year period over Peterson who is 29 and has 2 good years left in him before you start to watch the decline. I have faith in the Chiefs brass to continue their solid drafting in the top 3 rounds. Obviously, many on this board do not because you'd rather have a 2 year player than a 10 year player. We will not agree on this topic because of that one fundamental difference in perception. If the Chiefs trade for him I won't be mad. BUT I'd rather they not trade for him and think long term with the picks it would take to acquire him. I would take a guaranteed Top CB, All-Pro Corner for the next few years while Mahomes is dirt cheap VS taking the chance on a 10 year starter that even if they are a 10 year starter will have a very low chance of being a player of Peterson's caliber! Also....Eric Fisher-How long has it taken for him to not be considered a bust? Dee Ford-Again how many years now has it taken for him to not be considered a bust? Peters-Not even on the team anymore! Mahomes-I'll give you this one even with the zero impact as a rookie and costing multiple 1st rounders! By the time YOUR imaginary 1st rounder is able to make a impact as a starter for this team Mahomes will be signing a contract for $40M a year and our window of having a cheap elite QB will be gone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 This team has sat back to many F'n years building through the draft! Now is the time to go for it and giving up what it takes to get All-Pro players on this team before the trade deadline to win a Super Bowl is a no brainer! It's time to take action Arrowhead one!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 5 hours ago, TomahawkChop said: Was listening to Sirius NFL radio yesterday and some schmo Raider fan called in to profess his belief that a "thunder and lightening" running game approach is the way to beat the Chiefs. Charlie Weis said no way, that if he were a coach against the Chiefs he would assume you'd have to score a bunch of points to win, so going balls out would be his approach. Basically what you said about scaring teams out of running the ball as a general game plan. However, in the playoffs - in adverse weather - this team may have to stop the run to win a game. Houston coming back along with improvement from the youngsters (Berry coming back wouldn't hurt) may be enough to get it done. I like what I saw of Nadi and O'Daniel Sunday night. I agree- reading about the Saints approach to the ravens defense, it was pretty much the same. They know they cannot rely on the defense so they were macro-aggressive in their approach. A fake punt and going for it on the 4th downs 3 seperate times....the drive went almost 10 minutes buit yield 0 points....but the message was sent: We will play offense, not defense today. Thats what the Chiefs are doing also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 From what I'm gathering, the Cards aren't taking the shopping seriously and want a bucket of picks for PP. Chiefs aren't going to be buyers--dont expect any moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 23 minutes ago, liquidfriend said: From what I'm gathering, the Cards aren't taking the shopping seriously and want a bucket of picks for PP. Chiefs aren't going to be buyers--dont expect any moves. Yeah Veach isn't going to be stupid with it. Would be nice but you can't sacrifice too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsy 1,137 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 18 minutes ago, xen said: Yeah Veach isn't going to be stupid with it. Would be nice but you can't sacrifice too much. The most I would offer is a 2019 1st and a 3rd. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 43 minutes ago, artsy said: The most I would offer is a 2019 1st and a 3rd. Period. Id be furious if they gave up MORE than a first. Thats a steep price as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 PAT needs PAT Looks like some fans are over at Arrowhead with signs asking for KC to trade for Peterson haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 IB @incarceratedbob **NFL TRADE RUMORS** Source: Eagles & Chiefs currently most aggressive in pursuit for Patrick Peterson #Cardinals are listening (Philly made best offer so far) Steelers have interest, not as aggressive as those two teams. Talks are fluid so updates could change next 24-48HRs 2:18 PM - Oct 23, 2018 253 207 people are talking about this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,694 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 our deep play off and do I dare say SB window is wide open this season..I'd wager 90% of fans and front office never dreamed of such a scenario..best get the gettn while the gettn is good..it only takes one injury to Mahomes and this eagle turns to a pigeon. I'm not advocating sacrificing our future but IF just IF the Front office realistically thinks that Houston and Berry will be back in full form by playoff time then I say go for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Honestly, they really have 10+ year window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,121 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Trading away one first rounder for a 3 year elite player isn't the worse you could do with that pick. Sure its not longevity but its not mortgaging the future either. Our future will solely rest on the ability of our scouts to replenish talent and our coaches to develop that talent. We seem to be doing that extremely well on offense but our defense has done a terrible job of that. So if we were going to draft a defensive player with that 1st rounder why not use that to get a proven commodity who isn't a cancer or trouble maker. I won't cry if we don't but I think it would be wise move if its possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarCry 30 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 If Peterson can be had for say a 1st and 3rd...do it! Waiting to build the defense thru the next draft is a good strategy if we had a good offense and we are slow rolling... But KC has a SUPER BOWL WINING OFFENSE right now. They are not just good...or great...they are ELITE. Strike now. It not like he is even a 1 year rental, he will be part of the team for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 28 minutes ago, liquidfriend said: Honestly, they really have 10+ year window. Sure if the franchise doesn't get hurt. But this is the NFL not the NBA. You never know. Injuries are more likely than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Here's the bottom line... in their prime, top 3 players at a premium position like CB just do not come up on the market. Gotta get after that, Veach! That said, I keep going back and forth on how much is too much compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,694 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 36 minutes ago, liquidfriend said: Honestly, they really have 10+ year window. you dont know that..once he gets his 200 million $$ contract the rest of the team suffers.. one cheap shot and he's off on a cart.. saying that is pure delusional lunacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend of AC 269 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Balto said: IB @incarceratedbob **NFL TRADE RUMORS** Source: Eagles & Chiefs currently most aggressive in pursuit for Patrick Peterson #Cardinals are listening (Philly made best offer so far) Steelers have interest, not as aggressive as those two teams. Talks are fluid so updates could change next 24-48HRs 2:18 PM - Oct 23, 2018 253 207 people are talking about this This guy is a nobody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 25 minutes ago, oldtimer said: you dont know that..once he gets his 200 million $$ contract the rest of the team suffers.. one cheap shot and he's off on a cart.. saying that is pure delusional lunacy They are going to make it harder and harder to touch a QB every year. Come back from the ledge my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted October 24, 2018 Author Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Legend of AC said: This guy is a nobody Wasn’t he first to break Peyton to Denver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,024 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 I agree with OT. This is what I’ve been saying. You never know. if you were in on EARL, you HAVE TO BE IN ON PATRICK PETERSON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 5 hours ago, Balto said: I would take a guaranteed Top CB, All-Pro Corner for the next few years while Mahomes is dirt cheap VS taking the chance on a 10 year starter that even if they are a 10 year starter will have a very low chance of being a player of Peterson's caliber! Also....Eric Fisher-How long has it taken for him to not be considered a bust? Dee Ford-Again how many years now has it taken for him to not be considered a bust? Peters-Not even on the team anymore! Mahomes-I'll give you this one even with the zero impact as a rookie and costing multiple 1st rounders! By the time YOUR imaginary 1st rounder is able to make a impact as a starter for this team Mahomes will be signing a contract for $40M a year and our window of having a cheap elite QB will be gone! It’s not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,024 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mloe68 said: It’s not happening. You just doing a version of reverse psychology? Because if the chiefs were in on earl, then I’m sure they are trying for Peterson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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