WichitaZRide 321 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I don’t think I need to even elaborate. Just felt like this should be out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moons314 2,463 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Our defense lacked talent before all of the injuries. This isn't on Sutton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 the Sutton Defense squad is really bizarre I just don't know how to Defend a guy that didn't force a single punt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 7 hours ago, moons314 said: Our defense lacked talent before all of the injuries. This isn't on Sutton. ya, but it doesn't matter. It's still his job to get it done and he's been here long enough. It was time to move on last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,020 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 It’s the whole ball of wax... it’s his history. He should be judged on his body of work. And that my friends, is trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,694 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 If for no other reason he needs to go is that the Defense takes on the personality of the coach....surely there is an assistant on his staff thats a raging lunatic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troyofoc 361 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Yup the change needed to be last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClarksvilleChief 193 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Go hire the Ryan brothers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burpo The Mad Clown 5,562 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Is Gunther available? Yes. That was a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okiechief1 425 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 He needs to be gone but it's not gonna happen during the season and i won't be shocked if he is still here next year even though he shouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggjliv4 1,292 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 This argument that it's not on Sutton...well, what redeeming quality has the guy exhibited? Give me a single reason to let this guy continue to build a defense? Not stopped the run in 5 years still. Oh , not enough talent...so he needs a squad of pro bowlers, who the hell doesn't? I strongly believe if you get a wade Phillips protégé then we will find out we have the talent here, but improperly used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 The Defense is on pace to set an NFL record for yards allowed. Uh like, the blame goes all around when you're that damn awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankstromboli 25 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Maybe maybe lets consider the fact that it's not Sutton's fault due to injuries. The issue I have with sutton is he NEVER makes adjustments until it's beyond control. He waited until the second half to adjust the D. you have to make in game adjustments not go into the locker room, think about it and then adjust. be proactive, not reactive. He needs to go. We've seen this story way too many times going back to the collapse in Indy(which he should have been fired). DON't care how bad the injuries are, their defense is a disaster - a HISTORIC disaster. that's unacceptable in todays nfl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, liquidfriend said: The Defense is on pace to set an NFL record for yards allowed. Uh like, the blame goes all around when you're that damn awful. Agreed. Our personnel is lacking but they arent that damn bad. Sutton is getting nothing out of these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, Biggjliv4 said: Give me a single reason to let this guy continue to build a defense? Not a reason but some facts. 2012, year before he arrived, Chiefs were ranked #25. Based on pts which is more important than yds. 2013 - 5th, 2014 - 2nd, 2015 - 3rd, 2016 - 7th, 2017 - 15th and so far this year 27th. He probably should be gone but you asked for a reason. I assume it's because in his first 3 years they were within the top 10 Ds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West 6,714 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Sutton has yet to miss a tackle or blow a coverage....The players own it... w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Guys, it doesn't have to be one or the other; Is it Sutton or the players? Who cares, the defense stinks and if we have to, we reload with new coaches and players. Just get it fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,613 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Chiefsfan1963 said: Not a reason but some facts. 2012, year before he arrived, Chiefs were ranked #25. Based on pts which is more important than yds. 2013 - 5th, 2014 - 2nd, 2015 - 3rd, 2016 - 7th, 2017 - 15th and so far this year 27th. He probably should be gone but you asked for a reason. I assume it's because in his first 3 years they were within the top 10 Ds. Though true look at who he inherited and then watched aged or leave and never coached up any replacements. He has yet to mold any new player into his system at all. Chris Jones maybe but what players have floundered and failed in it since he got here? Look at what the offense inherited and how they have improved with additions and even qith injuries to just coaching up players and adjusting as an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, West said: Sutton has yet to miss a tackle or blow a coverage....The players own it... w But the basics is his fault. Because none of these players were ever able to tackle or cover prior to arriving in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 clean house of the defensive coaching staff and keep re-loading the talent. Just get it fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsy 1,137 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Well, I seriously doubt he get's fired during the season, and we can't bring in a whole new set of players, so Reid and Sutton need to try and figure it out. Why haven't we seen DoD yet? Why haven't we let Tremon Smith take a whack at corner in place of Scandrick? This is ultimately Reid's problem, and he has to do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, dksww said: Guys, it doesn't have to be one or the other; Is it Sutton or the players? Who cares, the defense stinks and if we have to, we reload with new coaches and players. Just get it fixed It's very easy for us to say that. Doing it isn't that easy, not if you don't want to mortgage the future for years to come. Listening to many in here complaining about bad contracts it seems like they want to have it both ways. Mortgage the future but not give out big contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Chiefsfan1963 said: It's very easy for us to say that. Doing it isn't that easy, not if you don't want to mortgage the future for years to come. Listening to many in here complaining about bad contracts it seems like they want to have it both ways. Mortgage the future but not give out big contracts. I think firing Sutton first is the way to go. Let guys like Nelson, Ragnald walk in FA. Don't cut Berry or Houston, it's not cost effective to do so. Re-stock smartly through FA and the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Sutton apologist...smh. How bad do this guys units have to perform for you to be ready for change? I am well aware of the fact that we dont have great players on defense. I am also able to acknowledge the fact that great coaches bring the best out in players. Sometimes the message gets stale. Sometimes the players dont fit the scheme. When you see a 26 year old like Hitchens who looks like he has the potential to take the next step and maybe become a pro bowl type player, then he comes here and looks like hes on fucking roller skates...thats indicative of a lack of understanding. Not ability. Sutton is not reaching him. Because the guy had good defenses 4 and 5 years ago is not a reason to keep him around. When you are ranked 27th in the league in defense, and your GM goes and gets Nnadi, Xavier Williams, Speaks, Hitch, you get Ford back and replace Peters with Fuller, your defense cannot regress. But they have. They are giving up 470 yds a game. They have NO STRENGTH. Bob Sutton is not coaching these guys up. He is getting nothing out of them. Is it all his fault? No. Should he be held accountable for a defensive unit that stunk all year, folded in the playoff game last year last year and likely will again this year? Absolutely. His time as a good DC has gone past. He is a really shitty one now. It happens. There are many HOF coaches that later got fired from jobs after their best years. Sutton has to go. The day after this season ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,020 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, Iluvhouse24 said: Sutton apologist...smh. How bad do this guys units have to perform for you to be ready for change? I am well aware of the fact that we dont have great players on defense. I am also able to acknowledge the fact that great coaches bring the best out in players. Sometimes the message gets stale. Sometimes the players dont fit the scheme. When you see a 26 year old like Hitchens who looks like he has the potential to take the next step and maybe become a pro bowl type player, then he comes here and looks like hes on fucking roller skates...thats indicative of a lack of understanding. Not ability. Sutton is not reaching him. Because the guy had good defenses 4 and 5 years ago is not a reason to keep him around. When you are ranked 27th in the league in defense, and your GM goes and gets Nnadi, Xavier Williams, Speaks, Hitch, you get Ford back and replace Peters with Fuller, your defense cannot regress. But they have. They are giving up 470 yds a game. They have NO STRENGTH. Bob Sutton is not coaching these guys up. He is getting nothing out of them. Is it all his fault? No. Should he be held accountable for a defensive unit that stunk all year, folded in the playoff game last year last year and likely will again this year? Absolutely. His time as a good DC has gone past. He is a really shitty one now. It happens. There are many HOF coaches that later got fired from jobs after their best years. Sutton has to go. The day after this season ends. Seriously. It’s the resume. It’s the whole thing. Monumental collapses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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