Lamardirts 2,114 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Could Ben play well enough to take his job? IMO Ragland looks worse than he did at the beginning of the year when he was suppose to be overcoming an injury. He looks indecisive and slow. Not saying Ben is better or anything but for those of you who know more. Is there a chance or are they both pretty bad and we will have to address this position in the offseason. Hitchens is here for a couple because of what is now looking like Veach's first bad contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 ILB will be a draft priority unless the Chiefs find a good FA. Ben isn't better than Ragland in the plays that I saw, but he does have room to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Don't think you can judge hitch just yet. Guy is changing schemes and sutton likes it complicated. Give him some time. He's obviously thinking instead of reacting so I'll wait til he gets the position down next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Ben needs some weight room time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgar 1,046 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 also with hitchens.. I am sure those ribs are healed completely now right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 I don't think Ragland has a future with the Chiefs at this point. IMO Ben will remain as either the starter or the 3rd ILB for 2019 and Ragland is his backup at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 Crazy to think what was suppose to be a strong unit is on pair with being our worst with the safety group and the safety group was ravaged by injuries. If a RV gets through the line they are picking up big chunks of yards because the LBs are sitting back waiting and getting mauled by Olineman or taking bad angles or missing the hole all together. Glad the front 4 are coming into there own which masks some of those issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 8 hours ago, xen said: Don't think you can judge hitch just yet. Guy is changing schemes and sutton likes it complicated. Give him some time. He's obviously thinking instead of reacting so I'll wait til he gets the position down next year. Sounds like you think Werthers is coming back next year. Shoot me now Xen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 I think we saw the plan today, especially if berry comes back. They want berry and lucas playing safety most the time. ilb will be ragland and hitchens when we need to stop the run, passing situations will be odaniel and sorenson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Iluvhouse24 said: Sounds like you think Werthers is coming back next year. Shoot me now Xen. Yes I fully expect him to be back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 They're not cutting Hitchens after 1 year. Now, cutting Ragland is definitely a possiblity, it would save $1 million with no dead cap space and would allow Niemann more reps and PT to develop. Ragland can't tackle or cover so not sure what he provides at this point. He showed upside last year, but has been disappointing so far. I would be fine with cutting him to move Niemann in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 3 hours ago, xen said: Yes I fully expect him to be back Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Iluvhouse24 said: Why? Because the D is slowly rounding into form and if by some chance we get Berry back we will be just good enough to keep that old bag around for another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troyofoc 361 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 5 hours ago, CranjisMcbasketball said: I think we saw the plan today, especially if berry comes back. They want berry and lucas playing safety most the time. ilb will be ragland and hitchens when we need to stop the run, passing situations will be odaniel and sorenson Did I miss something yesterday with lucas playing. I'm all for lucas getting playing time I only noticed him on special teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Troyofoc said: Did I miss something yesterday with lucas playing. I'm all for lucas getting playing time I only noticed him on special teams You may be right as i saw murry in there more than anyone would like, it is painfully obvious lucas is currently our best safety. so i guess i should rephrase and say im hoping the plan is a healthy berry and jordan lucas at safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moons314 2,463 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 20 hours ago, jetlord said: ILB will be a draft priority unless the Chiefs find a good FA. Ben isn't better than Ragland in the plays that I saw, but he does have room to improve. There’s very little chance we bring in another fa at ilb unless it’s someone really cheap. Hitchens got the big deal last year, so the draft is the answer for the other side. I’ll be shocked if ilb isn’t our first pick in the next draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 22 minutes ago, moons314 said: There’s very little chance we bring in another fa at ilb unless it’s someone really cheap. Hitchens got the big deal last year, so the draft is the answer for the other side. I’ll be shocked if ilb isn’t our first pick in the next draft. I think we go safety in round one. Corner and ILB round 2. Obviously this oversimplifies draft board but it’s ideal anyway and would almost certainly make a quick impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Mloe68 said: I think we go safety in round one. Corner and ILB round 2. Obviously this oversimplifies draft board but it’s ideal anyway and would almost certainly make a quick impact. Could be a combo of those 3 and depends who BPA is at the time we pick in those positions. I think we take care if a spot or two in FA and the could see DL or even pass rusher in there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moons314 2,463 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Mloe68 said: I think we go safety in round one. Corner and ILB round 2. Obviously this oversimplifies draft board but it’s ideal anyway and would almost certainly make a quick impact. I think Veach would be more inclined to pluck a corner from the free agent market. Our top two picks will likely be safety and inside linebacker, with the order depending on availability and who grades where. I could absolutely see a scenario where we trade into the first round and address both needs. Well likely be looking at the safety position the following offseason as well, because I think 2019 will be Berry’s last season here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, moons314 said: There’s very little chance we bring in another fa at ilb unless it’s someone really cheap. Hitchens got the big deal last year, so the draft is the answer for the other side. I’ll be shocked if ilb isn’t our first pick in the next draft. Prepared to be shocked than. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 33 minutes ago, moons314 said: I think Veach would be more inclined to pluck a corner from the free agent market. Our top two picks will likely be safety and inside linebacker, with the order depending on availability and who grades where. I could absolutely see a scenario where we trade into the first round and address both needs. Well likely be looking at the safety position the following offseason as well, because I think 2019 will be Berry’s last season here. I think we resign both Nelson and Fuller in the next two offseasons which makes any legit free agent very unlikely. We can balance those contracts with a rookie contract and get a legit talent in the first few rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 hours ago, moons314 said: There’s very little chance we bring in another fa at ilb unless it’s someone really cheap. Hitchens got the big deal last year, so the draft is the answer for the other side. I’ll be shocked if ilb isn’t our first pick in the next draft. I can 1000% promise you ILB will NOT be our first round pick next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 There are 3 candidates worthy of going in the first round for ILB and all 3 of them will be gone long before the Chiefs will be picking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Mloe68 said: I think we go safety in round one. Corner and ILB round 2. Obviously this oversimplifies draft board but it’s ideal anyway and would almost certainly make a quick impact. I know things change with predraft workouts and the combine, but this years crop of safeties looks really shallow as of now as far as round 1 type talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, Mloe68 said: I think we resign both Nelson and Fuller in the next two offseasons which makes any legit free agent very unlikely. We can balance those contracts with a rookie contract and get a legit talent in the first few rounds. Agreed. They may sign another depth corner but Nelson is starting to really ball and is earning himself a nice payday. Hes the 11th ranked corner in the league right now. I agree FS makes the most sense in rd 1. Hope there is somebody there worth taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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