wilkie 1,518 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Where be they? 8 plays and 5 plays last week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, wilkie said: Where be they? 8 plays and 5 plays last week This is a good article. Not having two #2 picks contributing is why KC defense is not good/stinks. Need new talent evaluation? https://arrowheadaddict.com/2018/12/11/tanoh-kpassagnon-breeland-speaks-earn-minimal-playing-time-versus-ravens/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend of AC 269 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Speaks is the slowest guy on the field....always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thegoatee 1,780 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Speaks is a defensive end somehow “playing” OLB... KPass was a project pick that doesn’t look to pan out... bad, bad draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Warpaint 3,234 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 iir KPass was drafted by Dorsey, not veach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Bob Sutton guys, he refuses to play any young guys and is reason #2 he needs to be shown the door this off-season, even if the Chiefs win the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, Thegoatee said: Speaks is a defensive end somehow “playing” OLB... KPass was a project pick that doesn’t look to pan out... bad, bad draft picks. We don't know this because Bob Sutton won't play the guy. It doesn't matter what GM picked these players, the fact is the Chiefs did and they need to see playing time to know whether or not they can play. Saying anybody on this defense can't play is giving credit to Sutton for knowing whether they can or not. We don't know because Sutton won't play them over scrubs like Sorenson, Parker, Murray and even Zombo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 It's not just a matter of not playing them, it's not coaching them up or even having a role for their supposed skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, jetlord said: It's not just a matter of not playing them, it's not coaching them up of even having a role for their supposed skills. Regardless, Sutton is a moron and won't do either. They need to be playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, dksww said: We don't know this because Bob Sutton won't play the guy. It doesn't matter what GM picked these players, the fact is the Chiefs did and they need to see playing time to know whether or not they can play. Saying anybody on this defense can't play is giving credit to Sutton for knowing whether they can or not. We don't know because Sutton won't play them over scrubs like Sorenson, Parker, Murray and even Zombo. I think Dee Ford makes your point. Why is it taking, Sutton, so long to develop guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, FANATIC said: I think Dee Ford makes your point. Why is it taking, Sutton, so long to develop guys? He's just out of his league anymore. He has no clue how to run a defense. He won't play young players, he won't make adjustments, he doesn't know when to blitz, when not to, he's a complete disaster of a DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIChiefsFan 262 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 OLB is set when both Ford and Houston are healthy. I don't think it is a mystery why they didn't play much against the Ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Thegoatee said: Speaks is a defensive end somehow “playing” OLB... KPass was a project pick that doesn’t look to pan out... bad, bad draft picks. Yep. Speaks flashed pass rush ability and I think he’d be an asset playing on the dline next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggjliv4 1,292 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I look at this and laugh thinking about how people thought it was rediculous to trade a 2nd for Peterson if he became available at the trade deadline. I'm sure we will draft another 2 developmental guys to switch positions they don't fit again this year with our two 2nds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 5 hours ago, wilkie said: Where be they? 8 plays and 5 plays last week Bob is busy running the beast out there to do it all. The man, Daniel Sorensen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Yes Sutton is a problem. Really good players still show enough to get on the field. Second round picks should not be a reach. To think KC traded up for Speaks? If those two were anything more than bench warmers they would be playing. Especially on this defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I think speaks would be a really good interior lineman on passing downs. Kpass could also do this. But I think kpass shows enough burst to remain outside. I think he would be a really nice 4-3 end. Our 3rd Dline should look like Ford-jones-speaks-houston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 6 hours ago, FANATIC said: Yes Sutton is a problem. Really good players still show enough to get on the field. Second round picks should not be a reach. To think KC traded up for Speaks? If those two were anything more than bench warmers they would be playing. Especially on this defense. Lucas definitely showed he should be on the field. I would have loved to see Lucas and watts back there this year to see how they would have looked like for the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Interesting Tanoh didn’t play much but I just read there was something called a NASCAR package he was a part of on Sunday that generated the strip sack and another QB pressure. Something to watch on Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 14 minutes ago, Palangi said: I think speaks would be a really good interior lineman on passing downs. Kpass could also do this. But I think kpass does enough burst to remain outside. I think he would be a really nice 4-3 end. Our 3rd Dline should look like Ford-jones-speaks-houston Speaks scouting report out of college really seem to indicate a natural interior dline pass rusher. Having him cover people in any more than occasional zone just doesn’t fit. And again even Veach admitted they were experimenting with him this year for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 When you trade multiple picks for your QBOTF you need to buckle down and draft guys who can step right in and help not developmental guys for a guy who has no history of developing anything. Tanoh was drafted in case of Ford/Houston but Speaks is unexplainable with how bad our secondary and ILB's have been. Especially trying to get a guy that should be packing on muscle not trying to slim down to cover. I could have understood had we drafted Bailey's replacement but we've wasted the year on him because he's not going to be an effective OLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Werthers hates rookies and has no interest in figuring out ways to make them excel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I actually liked Speaks when given the chance. He's not an edge rusher that's for sure but a solid guy against the run. However he's not an OLB that can cover so I think a move to DE is a very likely scenario for him. Kpass showed some promise last year, he has great agility for a guy his size and very powerful. For some reason he played a handful of snaps this year and didn't do much but I don't really expect him to contribute a lot without playing consistent snaps. I don't really trust Sutton in the best man approach. He seems to like guys that have been longer in his system even if they are bad (aka Murray or Dirty Dan). I doubt we can ever integrate youngsters to the system as good as we should for a consistently decent defense with this approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Speaks is an elephant kind of rusher that needs to be lining up in all kinds of goofy spots. They are completely misusing him and it's a shame. The more I see Kpass, I'm starting to think he's more suited for a 4-3 look and they should entertain trading him in the offseason. He could fit in here, but I think he's like JPP and needs to go somewhere similar to get the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Should have made a play for Josh Jackson CB instead of experiments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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