Veach should look at what the Rams did

[MisChief-Maker 135]

Just thinking about next offseason and i'm wondering if it would be better to follow what the Rams did? For those who don't know, this was their philosophy. 

Now In Mcvay's first season they had the top offense, won their division and got a bye. But as we all know, they were one and done and got dumped out the playoffs by Atlanta. So that offseason they pretty much ignored  the draft and signed Peters, Talib, Suh, Shields, Wilson and Cooks. All done via free agency and trades involving picks. 

So my thinking is this. We know our offense is off the charts and we've got possibly the best pass rush in the league. So would it make sense to follow the rams philosphy and build the back end of our defense through trades and free agency with tried and tested players instead of counting on the draft? For example, we could probably get a Tre Boston, Bashaud Breeland etc for decent prices and those would be the kind of solid vets we could put alongside Berry and Fuller in the secondary who could enhance this defence and know where they are supposed to be. Because is it really realistic to pick all defensive players in the first three rounds and expect them to turn our woeful defense around overnight? I very much doubt it yall. 

[sith13 1,746]

Rams had a decent QB on a rookie deal and the focus became to "buy" a title as long as they had that cap flexibility. We are not that far away from that approach IMO. In fact we have another year of a rookie deal to work with. Looking at the way we have been wasting picks I wouldn't be opposed to spending some one proven players for a shortcut. We are already a top offense and just need a defensive boost to get things done. 

Getting a proven guy at DL and a couple decent DBs together with a solid LB might be all we need to win the SB. 

[liquidfriend 1,151]

If you're going to follow the Rams model, it'd be trading for Jalen Ramsey.

[kkuenn 3,613]

I think we need to dip in FA for a DB and DL. Use draft to better other positions or depth and go from there. New DC with Hitchens moving to Ragland position and a new DJ type next to him would do us wonders but FA is a must for us. We cant wait 2 or 3 years for guys to develop with the window we have now.

[MisChief-Maker 135]

28 minutes ago, sith13 said:

Rams had a decent QB on a rookie deal and the focus became to "buy" a title as long as they had that cap flexibility. We are not that far away from that approach IMO. In fact we have another year of a rookie deal to work with. Looking at the way we have been wasting picks I wouldn't be opposed to spending some one proven players for a shortcut. We are already a top offense and just need a defensive boost to get things done. 

Getting a proven guy at DL and a couple decent DBs together with a solid LB might be all we need to win the SB. 

Yeah I actually think we're further ahead than the Chargers were last season due to the pasd rush being so good. So now, all Veach has to do is spread the money around the srcondary and an ilb. All we need is compentent players with experience to turn this defense around, that's all.

[MisChief-Maker 135]

3 minutes ago, kkuenn said:

I think we need to dip in FA for a DB and DL. Use draft to better other positions or depth and go from there. New DC with Hitchens moving to Ragland position and a new DJ type next to him would do us wonders but FA is a must for us. We cant wait 2 or 3 years for guys to develop with the window we have now.

Totally agree. I'd get a safety and two corners in fa tbh. All i want is experiance back there, nothing else. 

[sith13 1,746]

44 minutes ago, kkuenn said:

I think we need to dip in FA for a DB and DL. Use draft to better other positions or depth and go from there. New DC with Hitchens moving to Ragland position and a new DJ type next to him would do us wonders but FA is a must for us. We cant wait 2 or 3 years for guys to develop with the window we have now.

DJ type ILB or a TJ Watt type OLB in 1st would change this defense instantly. Don't know about the draft class in detail but we need to focus on 3-4 guys from now on unless we are changing schemes. 

Jones and Hill need extensions but they are still on rookie deals so we actually have some money to spend and still have dead weight like Sorensen or Williams that saves around 8 million. I think Veach takes advantage of the situation. 

[Marleydawg 60]

The Rams philosophy has resulted in a complete lack of depth, which is getting exposed late in the year.

doesnt mean we shouldn’t dabble in FA, but you can’t give up all your picks.  They went all In This year, it’s going to hurt down the road.

[sith13 1,746]

I don't think the idea is to do exactly what the Rams did. Keep in mind that they had a lot less pieces in place. In our case we are all set on offense and just need defensive help so we can easily bring in a few FAs while drafting solid youngsters as well. 

[MisChief-Maker 135]

1 minute ago, Marleydawg said:

The Rams philosophy has resulted in a complete lack of depth, which is getting exposed late in the year.

doesnt mean we shouldn’t dabble in FA, but you can’t give up all your picks.  They went all In This year, it’s going to hurt down the road.

We don't need to give up all our picks to make this philophy work. We're gonna be releasing a lot of players in the offseason so cap space should be good. My view is we can do what they did but get above average talent like Breeland and Boston for less money than the likes of Talib and Suh got from the rams, and it would improve our defense a lot. I just believe we should pack the d with experience instead of rookies. We don't need pro bowlers, just guys who can do their jobs properly.

[Legend of AC 269]

What the Rams did has not worked.  Talib and Peters have been bad this year.  I’d much prefer to build primarily through the draft and add a piece here or there in FA.

[FANATIC 852]

3 hours ago, MisChief-Maker said:

Just thinking about next offseason and i'm wondering if it would be better to follow what the Rams did? For those who don't know, this was their philosophy. 

Now In Mcvay's first season they had the top offense, won their division and got a bye. But as we all know, they were one and done and got dumped out the playoffs by Atlanta. So that offseason they pretty much ignored  the draft and signed Peters, Talib, Suh, Shields, Wilson and Cooks. All done via free agency and trades involving picks. 

So my thinking is this. We know our offense is off the charts and we've got possibly the best pass rush in the league. So would it make sense to follow the rams philosphy and build the back end of our defense through trades and free agency with tried and tested players instead of counting on the draft? For example, we could probably get a Tre Boston, Bashaud Breeland etc for decent prices and those would be the kind of solid vets we could put alongside Berry and Fuller in the secondary who could enhance this defence and know where they are supposed to be. Because is it really realistic to pick all defensive players in the first three rounds and expect them to turn our woeful defense around overnight? I very much doubt it yall. 

Reminder they gave up 54 to KC with 5 Kc turnovers. 

[Iluvhouse24 1,808]

Surprising to see how unrealistic some fans view of free agency is, and what we are going to be able to accomplish using it.

[MisChief-Maker 135]

1 hour ago, Legend of AC said:

What the Rams did has not worked.  Talib and Peters have been bad this year.  I’d much prefer to build primarily through the draft and add a piece here or there in FA.

How has it not worked? They've won their division by a mile and will have a bye in the playoffs. 

[MisChief-Maker 135]

9 minutes ago, Iluvhouse24 said:

Surprising to see how unrealistic some fans view of free agency is, and what we are going to be able to accomplish using it.

Elaborate? 

[Legend of AC 269]

1 minute ago, MisChief-Maker said:

How has it not worked? They've won their division by a mile and will have a bye in the playoffs. 

Their division is a joke and their defense has significantly underperformed.  

[oldtimer 8,694]

uh no.. Rams are in a situation where hey have to make splash.. being in LA the competition for the entertainment $$ is great, not so in KC.

As AC said as well their division is a joke and I might add their schedule was relatively easy.

 the Chiefs' issues  are nothing that a Coordinator change  a strategically placed FA and a solid draft or two cant fix

MCM here is an interesting article o n the Rams.. from a far they may seem good but this article shows they are on the edge of being in deep dodo

https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2018/12/18/18147318/los-angles-rams-super-bowl-window-closing-jared-goff-sean-mcvay

here's a snippit

Take a look at the list of starters who will be looking for new contracts soon.

Skill Positions:

Jared Goff: Contract year (pending 5th year option)

OL:

Andrew Whitworth: Contract year
Rodger Saffold: Unrestricted Free Agent
John Sullivan: Contract year 
Austin Blythe: Contract year

DL:

Ndomukong Suh: Unrestricted Free Agent
Michael Brockers: Contract Year

LB:

Dante Fowler Jr.: Unrestricted Free Agent
Mark Barron: Potential Cap Casualty

DB:

Lamarcus Joyner: Unrestricted Free Agent
Aqib Talib: Contract year
Marcus Peters: Contract year

Specialist:

Cory Littleton: Restricted Free Agent
Greg Zuerlein: Contract year

That’s half of the Rams current starters that are coming due for contracts, plus a couple of specialists to boot

[sith13 1,746]

32 minutes ago, oldtimer said:

uh no.. Rams are in a situation where hey have to make splash.. being in LA the competition for the entertainment $$ is great, not so in KC.

That's right, their #1 priority has been the battle for LA market. I can see them intentionally diving to cap hell for the next couple years just to have an edge while Rivers is around, then it'll likely be a rebuild for the Chargers making it much easier for the Rams with Goff. 

[Lamardirts 2,121]

They went all in this year and possibly next.    I think we have to address some holes in FA but the only way we make a legit 10-12 year run is by drafting well each and every year.  Doesn't mean we have to find Hills and Jones every year but we got to find solid depth guys who develop and get better.   The other side to this is we have a lot of players walking this offseason, and you have to fill their spots with someone and players don't play for free not even the bench players.    We have holes at RB, C (Morse is FA), WR (Conley is FA),  TE,  DE (Bailey is FA), CB (Nelson is FA),  CB (Scandrick is a FA), S (Parker is a FA....PTL), S (Sorensen no way that joke doesn't get cut),  FB (Sherman is a FA)  OLB (Houston/Ford situation) and probably ILB.     We have 4 picks in the first 3 rounds and a couple in the back end and probably 20 million in cap after you figure extensions for Hill and Jones.       I think the best acquisition this team could make is a new DC....worth every cent imo.

[sith13 1,746]

Just a question since I don't know the situation specifically. Rookies now must play out their rookie contract, so if we give Jones and Hill extensions in the offseason can we actually absorb some of that cap hit in 2019 or do we explicitly have to wait until their contracts are over. 

[reesebobby 5,663]

2 hours ago, MisChief-Maker said:

How has it not worked? They've won their division by a mile and will have a bye in the playoffs. 

They'd be in a three way tie for first in our division.  And despite all the money they spent, their defense is 20th in yards and only give up about 2.5 points per game less than us.  And we are horrible.  And they got worse than their last years defense. 

[Handswarmer 645]

Veach should be calling/studying Dorsey....

 

Browns will be formidable next year...

[reesebobby 5,663]

5 minutes ago, Handswarmer said:

Browns will be formidable next year...

They are already better than I think. 

[Handswarmer 645]

Make fun of it but they are rising....look at all the high draft picks that are playing and succeeding.

Gregg has the defense playing well too....

[artsy 1,137]

I think a big name FA Corner, and draft the best ILB in the 1st round and build around that. But I do agree that a new DC would have the most impact.

You guys notice that Sutton runs the same defensive scheme regardless of the players he has on the field?? In other words, he does not adjust his game-plan to account for the talent he has on the field....He forces players to do things that they can't physically or mentally do.

And his rationale for it is...."We have to stick with the process".