Legend of AC 269 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Anyone hear anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 He is hour to hour.....,😣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 There's no game this week, so you're not going to hear anything. Come back in about a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moons314 2,463 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I have to think there is no way he doesn’t play, and play the whole game. Late in the season is one thing, but do or die in the playoffs is another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,694 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, moons314 said: I have to think there is no way he doesn’t play, and play the whole game. Late in the season is one thing, but do or die in the playoffs is another. I'd like to think you are spot on but I still am of the belief that he is nothing more than an over priced broke dick..kinda like Berry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Just now, oldtimer said: I'd like to think you are spot on but I still am of the belief that he is nothing more than an over priced broke dick..kinda like Berry. Be careful the Doom & Gloom police will call you out. 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qnet 1,158 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Until proven otherwise in the playoffs, I now wish the Chief had not signed him. He helped earlier games but he hasn't been on the field enough to help and I'm tired of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troyofoc 361 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Ya I'm not counting on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,024 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 No reason to think so at this rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,024 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I want to know if berry can handle playing when it matters like the end of games... more so so than tender foot. dradt a wr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Just trying to read between the lines of Andy's comments...My take on odds of playing Ware 90%... I'd be surprised if he and D Williams don't both play a pretty big role Berry is 60%...I'd lean towards he would want to play in a playoff game so he will. But no way to have any confidence in that. Watkins 40%...foot injuries are tricky. I'm sure they will give it a go and we will see next week LDT 20%...he got through all the practices with scout team last week but sounds like he's still not really that close to being game ready Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, liquidfriend said: There's no game this week, so you're not going to hear anything. Come back in about a week. Exactly. They're not even practicing this week are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend of AC 269 Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, dksww said: Exactly. They're not even practicing this week are they? I thought Andy said they would be, but not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okiechief1 425 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 They are practicing 2 days this week. That's a change from when they had a bye before with Andy and they didn't practice at all during the bye week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes4six! 974 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 my gut tells me that all but maybe LDT play. this is the reason to hold them out. if they don’t suit up, clark will be one pissed MF. the plan that reid has laid out for berry and watkins hopefully will work. all hands on deck for this game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moons314 2,463 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 6 hours ago, oldtimer said: I'd like to think you are spot on but I still am of the belief that he is nothing more than an over priced broke dick..kinda like Berry. At least he's played more than a couple of halves this year, which is what we've gotten out of Berry in the last two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,121 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Whats sad is that the way the Watkins contract is structured we are saddled with him for the entire contract. Its a 7 million dollar hit each year until his contract expires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend of AC 269 Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, Lamardirts said: Whats sad is that the way the Watkins contract is structured we are saddled with him for the entire contract. Its a 7 million dollar hit each year until his contract expires. Really terrible deal. Dude may never be healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 51 minutes ago, Lamardirts said: Whats sad is that the way the Watkins contract is structured we are saddled with him for the entire contract. Its a 7 million dollar hit each year until his contract expires. This contract was set up so the club could get out after next season with a post June 1 designation at 3.5 per season. Cap savings of 17 million so it will happen with continued injury issues, but if he does have a big season next year he could potentially be traded. Tyreek will obviously be the focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Watkins, Ldt, Ware and Berry will all be playing next week. You guys freak out over shit that hasn't even happened sometimes. The Watkins love affair will return until he goes down in the Super Bowl with a cramp and it'll be back to square one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,121 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Mloe68 said: This contract was set up so the club could get out after next season with a post June 1 designation at 3.5 per season. Cap savings of 17 million so it will happen with continued injury issues, but if he does have a big season next year he could potentially be traded. Tyreek will obviously be the focus. I disagree. His base this year was under a million. It was structured terribly. The idea of getting out after two years generally means with a nominal cap hit not 7 million. You are right you can wait till June 1 but you are taking up a roster spot for the whole offseason (robbing another wr of valuable time learning a complex system) and kicking cap issues down the road another year. This is the same crap that got Dorsey in hot water. I don't have an issue with what they paid him even though we over paid, but you have to front load this first year better so you can in fact get out after two years. I hope he gets healthy and contributes and then it won't matter but at this point he looks more like another Houston and Berry. Gonna be hard to take advantage of this rookie contract of Mahomes when we are saddled with terrible contracts for Houston, Berry, Watkins and Fisher that consume nearly 40% of our cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Lamardirts said: I disagree. His base this year was under a million. It was structured terribly. The idea of getting out after two years generally means with a nominal cap hit not 7 million. You are right you can wait till June 1 but you are taking up a roster spot for the whole offseason (robbing another wr of valuable time learning a complex system) and kicking cap issues down the road another year. This is the same crap that got Dorsey in hot water. I don't have an issue with what they paid him even though we over paid, but you have to front load this first year better so you can in fact get out after two years. I hope he gets healthy and contributes and then it won't matter but at this point he looks more like another Houston and Berry. Gonna be hard to take advantage of this rookie contract of Mahomes when we are saddled with terrible contracts for Houston, Berry, Watkins and Fisher that consume nearly 40% of our cap space. First off you have a 90 man roster in the offseason, so roster spots are pretty irrelevant. Watkins contract doesn’t have any hidden poison pills so really the post June 1 designation isn’t even really necessary anyway. Secondly as we know any contract is all about guaranteed money which in Watkins case was 30 million. The vast majority of which is paid in the first two years of the contract. Veach inherited a tight Cap situation in 2018, so over half of the guarantee was pushed to 2019. After that this contract gave the club clear options and a way out. That’s my point and it was clearly designed that way The merits of handing a short term expensive deal out to a players who’s production had not warranted it do date can certainly be debated. Veach gambled Watkins had finally emerged as healthy last year and ready to become elite player his 4th overall draft status suggested. If he can’t play it’s obviously a failed gamble and a strike against Veach. But this deal is structured to be a short term deal. He got that part right no matter in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 The short term contracts with high guarantees are very new to the NFL, we don't yet know how they will turn out. It's basically a leverage for the young players since they can get another big deal after a few years and still get paid in the short term. It was basically the price to pay to get Watkins in FA and Veach gambled. In the grand scheme of things I don't think his contract will be a huge issue for us. We already had enough room in 2018 to handle a minimal hit and more than enough cap in 2019 to take care of the big guarantee before making a decision in 2020. The likely scenario is that Hill gets an extension with little cap hit in the first year and takes over Watkins as the high priced WR starting in 2021. I'm not sure if Veach would actually pull the trigger if he knew Hill and Mahomes would become such a duo. I always thought the primary expectation from Watkins was to help Mahomes grow into the role as a franchise QB rather than bringing the SB to KC in his first year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 28 minutes ago, sith13 said: The short term contracts with high guarantees are very new to the NFL, we don't yet know how they will turn out. It's basically a leverage for the young players since they can get another big deal after a few years and still get paid in the short term. It was basically the price to pay to get Watkins in FA and Veach gambled. In the grand scheme of things I don't think his contract will be a huge issue for us. We already had enough room in 2018 to handle a minimal hit and more than enough cap in 2019 to take care of the big guarantee before making a decision in 2020. The likely scenario is that Hill gets an extension with little cap hit in the first year and takes over Watkins as the high priced WR starting in 2021. I'm not sure if Veach would actually pull the trigger if he knew Hill and Mahomes would become such a duo. I always thought the primary expectation from Watkins was to help Mahomes grow into the role as a franchise QB rather than bringing the SB to KC in his first year. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 15 hours ago, Legend of AC said: Really terrible deal. Dude may never be healthy. Yep, his career is over 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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