KC Warpaint 3,251 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2816666-chiefs-rumors-latest-on-tyreek-hill-dee-ford-chris-jones-contracts-and-future?fbclid=IwAR3WWnI5zQ9H3StEEcADLPHirlBmixAv9gkmQP2l6v4iLaAhLnLK1vp8SBU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggjliv4 1,292 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Curious what our cap will look like after this. If we will have any space to bring anyone else in, these 3 moves are going to be pricey. But if we front load them it will help with Mahomes contract in a couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 It'll be wrecked. I realistically don't think we can pay all 3, so I got a feeling that Dee could be a possible tag and trade candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, liquidfriend said: It'll be wrecked. I realistically don't think we can pay all 3, so I got a feeling that Dee could be a possible tag and trade candidate. Don’t agree ill take a look but I believe it should be easy to do AND have extra left over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggjliv4 1,292 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 If I recall we have some pretty good cap flexibility the next 2 or 3 years. I think you're right 1 hour ago, Balto said: Don’t agree ill take a look but I believe it should be easy to do AND have extra left over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,210 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Isn't the cap expected to go up about $14 million next year? That should give some flexibility to the Chiefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Balto said: Don’t agree ill take a look but I believe it should be easy to do AND have extra left over. You can disagree until you're blue in the face, but in no way will they be able to handle paying around 20m avg to Tyreek and Chris Jones than 13+ to Berry (ideas of cutting him this offseason is pure delusion), 20 to Dee Ford and continue paying 20 to Justin Houston. That's nearly 50% of the entire cap for just 5 players. It's not sustainable. Fuller and Schwartz will need new deals over the next couple years and they will have to start budgeting for a Pat Mahomes extension, that will absolutely be an NFL record contract. Spending like crazy is not sustainable at all. They will also need to sign draft classes, retain lower tier players and sign guys to fill injuries. That's also saying they wouldn't sign a single FA for years on end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, liquidfriend said: You can disagree until you're blue in the face, but in no way will they be able to handle paying around 20m avg to Tyreek and Chris Jones than 13+ to Berry (ideas of cutting him this offseason is pure delusion), 20 to Dee Ford and continue paying 20 to Justin Houston. That's nearly 50% of the entire cap for just 5 players. It's not sustainable. Fuller and Schwartz will need new deals over the next couple years and they will have to start budgeting for a Pat Mahomes extension, that will absolutely be an NFL record contract. Spending like crazy is not sustainable at all. They will also need to sign draft classes, retain lower tier players and sign guys to fill injuries. That's also saying they wouldn't sign a single FA for years on end. -Why is cutting Berry delusional? Saves $9.55M -I also believe Houston will restructure, add a few years to contract and finish up as a Chief. -Tag Ford won’t cost $20M lololol -Just because Hill and Jones could avg $20M a year(don’t see it btw haha) that doesn’t mean you have to give them exactly $20M a year lol....but your not a NFL GM so I don’t expect you to understand. what you didn’t mention and what I find the biggest hurdle is Watkins contract. It’s made up so that if traded we save the most cap hit. I do not see Veach making Hill a top 3 highest paid WR while also giving Watkins $20M a year. Sammy could restructure himself, adding years to his short contract because of how well he knows he has it in KC with Mahomes. OR Sammy could be traded and save about $12M for 2019 IF we find a team willing to giving up picks/players and pay him $12M /shrug who knows with his history of injuries. Reguardless it’s not as black and white as you put it and until we pay Mahomes $30+ million a year we can make all this work pretty easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefswinitall 60 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Gonna have to deal with it. Happens to all teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,121 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I wouldn't think next years contracts for Hill and Jones would be even close to 20. Remember they are still on their rookie deal next year so paying Hill 5 million would be way better than the 500,000 he's making this year. Gotta remember one freak injury and these guys careers could be over. There is some incentive to extend. Jones is in the same boat though he's already made a few million. The one that scares me a bit is the 200 million being thrown around after next year for Mahomes. Curious how that would be structured but Houston and Berry would both be gone which would free up a good bit of room. In the next 2-3 years its going tobe important we hit on a couple players each draft or we will look like the Packers who can't protect Rodgers or who don't have the talent on D to stop anyone. Still though with a qb like Mahomes we will always have a chance to win games. Finally, the Chiefs might be trying to keep the gang together for one last year knowing they can free up a bunch of players (Houston, Berry, Watkins, and Ford if they tag him after 2019). Can't blame the front office if the D continues to play the way they have the last two games. Obviously that could change depending on their performance tonight as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moons314 2,463 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Give Mahomes 10 years 250. That locks everything down for a decade and given qb salaries is fair for everyone imo. The kid is going to make twice that in endorsements and appearances in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 19 minutes ago, Balto said: -Why is cutting Berry delusional? Saves $9.55M -I also believe Houston will restructure, add a few years to contract and finish up as a Chief. -Tag Ford won’t cost $20M lololol -Just because Hill and Jones could avg $20M a year(don’t see it btw haha) that doesn’t mean you have to give them exactly $20M a year lol....but your not a NFL GM so I don’t expect you to understand. what you didn’t mention and what I find the biggest hurdle is Watkins contract. It’s made up so that if traded we save the most cap hit. I do not see Veach making Hill a top 3 highest paid WR while also giving Watkins $20M a year. Sammy could restructure himself, adding years to his short contract because of how well he knows he has it in KC with Mahomes. OR Sammy could be traded and save about $12M for 2019 IF we find a team willing to giving up picks/players and pay him $12M /shrug who knows with his history of injuries. Reguardless it’s not as black and white as you put it and until we pay Mahomes $30+ million a year we can make all this work pretty easily It's pretty clear cut. Dee Ford is a top tier edge rusher, Chris Jones is a top tier DT and Tyreek Hill is a top tier WR. Extending them all is going to avg around 20m a season and sure you can backload a deal but realistically that's just kicking a can down the road. Sure Sammy could be traded and might, but they still will have long term cap complications. You're not an NFL GM either, but it doesn't take a genius to figure it out either. Look at the teams hiring guys off TV. You just can't sign guys over and over with the unlimited funds you don't have. As for Berry, you can't be that delusional to think Clark Hunt is going to cut bait at this point on a guy he personally got signed and will be good to go Week 1? If so, give me some of what you're smoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Not sure if these count as rumors. Pretty much everyone has been talking about this and they don't seem to have a valid insight regarding any figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,694 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 30 minutes ago, moons314 said: Give Mahomes 10 years 250. That locks everything down for a decade and given qb salaries is fair for everyone imo. The kid is going to make twice that in endorsements and appearances in his career. and watch him get hurt the next year.. Raiders give that kind of Contract and thats why they are stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomahawkChop 255 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 46 minutes ago, moons314 said: Give Mahomes 10 years 250. That locks everything down for a decade and given qb salaries is fair for everyone imo. The kid is going to make twice that in endorsements and appearances in his career. No agent would ever agree to a 10 year contract imo. The market changes too frequently to lock a client into that long of a contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, TomahawkChop said: No agent would ever agree to a 10 year contract imo. The market changes too frequently to lock a client into that long of a contract. Matters if that agent gets paid upfront or not haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggjliv4 1,292 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 It's better we just not sign any of them. Too expensive, let them all walk and we should just play rookies from this point on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moons314 2,463 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 55 minutes ago, TomahawkChop said: No agent would ever agree to a 10 year contract imo. The market changes too frequently to lock a client into that long of a contract. Not necessarily true. A player has the final say. It’s a gamble for both sides. Player could hurt himself next week and never get that second contract. Basically you’re giving up some on the back end for security. Throw in endorsements and such and Mahomes would likely take in a half billion dollars over the next decade. That would easily surpass any player in any sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamixoye 604 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, moons314 said: Give Mahomes 10 years 250. That locks everything down for a decade and given qb salaries is fair for everyone imo. The kid is going to make twice that in endorsements and appearances in his career. Mahomes seems to be very appreciative of the fact that this organization believed in him and put him in the best possible position to succeed, so I would guess there is a tiny chance he would give us some sort of hometown discount so that we can win. The far more likely scenario is that he and he agent will be looking to break the bank, and there's no way $25M will be the going rate. The numbers on his contract may very well be that TOTAL but over more like 6-7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamixoye 604 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, moons314 said: Not necessarily true. A player has the final say. It’s a gamble for both sides. Player could hurt himself next week and never get that second contract. Basically you’re giving up some on the back end for security. Throw in endorsements and such and Mahomes would likely take in a half billion dollars over the next decade. That would easily surpass any player in any sport. There is no "back end" security in football. Now, if he could get something fully guaranteed or close to it like Cousins, then maybe he would take a significant discount for the security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamixoye 604 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25808403/patrick-mahomes-land-200m-deal-eligible-extension-kansas-city-chiefs-2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggjliv4 1,292 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 It's a game in which your career could end any given play. The kid should get every dime he possibly can on his first contract. Home town/Brady discounts come next round or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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