Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mloe68 said: Tag Ford. Every team needs a pass rusher like him but his prior back issues would keep me from long term deal. I’d let Justin Houston walk and make this offseason about building a different type of defense around youth and speed at linebacker and in secondary. More bulk up front. Bottom line is speculating about who goes and stays is moot until we know who our DC is and what he prefers schematically. But letting Ford walk free and clear in free agency after the year he had and at his age seems like a really stupid idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, hankstromboli said: I almost sh$t my pants when I heard Brady say crowd didn't affect him b/c of our play calling not changing much. Absolute shame. Great screen name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankstromboli 25 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Fmbl2187 said: Great screen name Thanks!!!!! Always loved HankStromboli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, hankstromboli said: I almost sh$t my pants when I heard Brady say crowd didn't affect him b/c of our play calling not changing much. Absolute shame. There is a lot of truth to that...Chargers said the same thing about the 2nd games vs the Ravens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 hours ago, soonerborn77 said: Maybe don’t allow him to blatantly troll Chiefs fans on a chiefs message board? Maybe not take it so seriously....relax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 45 minutes ago, hankstromboli said: Thanks!!!!! Always loved HankStromboli I could eat a stromboli right now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Balto said: I do agree that edge guys are overrated but I think it more points to this being a TEAM sport. Without some pressure from said edge guys it will not matter how good of coverage guys you have because they QB can take his time. Getting pressure even if they don’t get a sack allows a defense to at least have a chance of making a play because the QB had to rush his pass. You can say, well the team can just run quick pass plays and march down the field to take even the best edge rushers out of the game and could do blah blah blah BUT all of that comes down scheme and coaching adjustments which we all can agree we lack. Exactly it's a team game. A good pass rush is only possible with decent coverage and it's also the other way around. In general the team has to be good in all aspects of the game and having solid edge rushers help the pass rush tremendously. However unless those guys are good in other areas as well they only contribute until December and fade away in the playoffs, at least that happens to be the case with whatever our scheme is. IMO having a front 7 that's a brick wall against the run with OLBs that can get 8-9 sacks each while doing whatever else is a better defense to get to the SB. I would love to give Ford a long term deal worth what he's making now, which frankly is his worth, but the market is around double that figure. Tag & trade for a 1st with Ford and giving a guy in KJ Wright's mold 3-year 25 million deal would be a much better move IMO. We could then use the remaining money for a decent ILB and possibly some DL depth after drafting a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Iluvhouse24 said: Bottom line is speculating about who goes and stays is moot until we know who our DC is and what he prefers schematically. But letting Ford walk free and clear in free agency after the year he had and at his age seems like a really stupid idea. Agree. No idea what Andy’s going to do here honestly. If he sticks with Sutton I think they might keep everyone. It’s a band aid plan that didn’t work this year. If he does what we think he should and goes out and gets another DC with another vision. All bets are off. But under no circumstance is letting the league leader in QB pressures and forced fumbles go for what amounts to be about the 100th pick in the draft a rational move. I know everyone’s POed his mental error may have cost us the Super Bowl. But that isn’t relevant here in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tges58 33 Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Handswarmer said: Maybe not take it so seriously....relax Maybe you ought to try to show a little class instead of coming on here making snide remarks to a fan base that's a little testy after a heart breaking loss. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Handswarmer said: I could eat a stromboli right now.... 65 tossed pasta salad power trap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerborn77 276 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Handswarmer said: Maybe not take it so seriously....relax We had just lost a heartbreaker, it was ill timed and in poor taste and you knew you are intentionally twisting the knife and adding nothing to the conversation, all pretty hard lined examples of trolling. It’s sad that you get preferential treatment to continue to act this way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerborn77 276 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 59 minutes ago, tges58 said: Maybe you ought to try to show a little class instead of coming on here making snide remarks to a fan base that's a little testy after a heart breaking loss. Just a thought. 100% correct, if any other poster who’s a fan of any other team does the same thing, they probably don’t get a chance to post again. Just because he’s buddy buddy with some posters he’s allowed to do it and we’re told to just ignore it, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moons314 2,463 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Mloe68 said: Tag Ford. Every team needs a pass rusher like him but his prior back issues would keep me from long term deal. I’d let Justin Houston walk and make this offseason about building a different type of defense around youth and speed at linebacker and in secondary. More bulk up front. I thought because of money we were stuck with Houston for another year? I’m in favor of letting both go, but if I have to choose one I’m taking Houston. At least he’s a more complete player than Ford. Ford isn’t versatile at all. He relies on speed which isn’t bad, but if he can’t beat the tackle to the edge he’s not getting pressure because he can’t overpower and bull rush. Pass rushers are nice but our linebackers were shit against the run. Sacks don’t mean shit if you let them convert 3rd and 15 on the next play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moons314 2,463 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Iluvhouse24 said: Bottom line is speculating about who goes and stays is moot until we know who our DC is and what he prefers schematically. But letting Ford walk free and clear in free agency after the year he had and at his age seems like a really stupid idea. Comp pick. We just can’t commit a bunch of money to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, moons314 said: Comp pick. We just can’t commit a bunch of money to him I dont think we should either. I think he should be franchised and traded or franchised and expected to play here at a high level. Dee Ford is worth much more than a late 3rd round pick. Hes a 27 year old who led the league in QB pressures. Be mad at him all you want. That doesnt mean you pretend this isnt a business. Letting him walk is bad business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, moons314 said: I thought because of money we were stuck with Houston for another year? I’m in favor of letting both go, but if I have to choose one I’m taking Houston. At least he’s a more complete player than Ford. Ford isn’t versatile at all. He relies on speed which isn’t bad, but if he can’t beat the tackle to the edge he’s not getting pressure because he can’t overpower and bull rush. Pass rushers are nice but our linebackers were shit against the run. Sacks don’t mean shit if you let them convert 3rd and 15 on the next play. We can save 14 million next year by releasing Houston. And I saw some pretty good breakdowns of each players impact and it was actually Ford who was the bigger difference maker and forced more double teams than Houston. Cutting Houston allows us to tag Ford without much CAP difference. Despite yesterday's rough game for both guys, Ford led the NFL in QB pressures, forced fumbles and top ten in sacks. That is REALLY hard production to find elsewhere. Meanwhile Houston was very average vs the run this year and is clearly dimininshing as an impact pass rusher. Lets get a guy thats good against the run in his spot at half as much money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moons314 2,463 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mloe68 said: We can save 14 million next year by releasing Houston. And I saw some pretty good breakdowns of each players impact and it was actually Ford who was the bigger difference maker and forced more double teams than Houston. Cutting Houston allows us to tag Ford without much CAP difference. Despite yesterday's rough game for both guys, Ford led the NFL in QB pressures, forced fumbles and top ten in sacks. That is REALLY hard production to find elsewhere. Meanwhile Houston was very average vs the run this year and is clearly dimininshing as an impact pass rusher. Lets get a guy thats good against the run in his spot at half as much money. We have to build our defense against the run. That’s way more important than pass rushers. Teams are going to try to run to keep our offense off the field. I’d rather be stout against the run and have to blitz to pressure the qb as opposed to the shit we’ve seen in recent years. Ford isn’t good against the run either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Warpaint 3,251 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mloe68 said: We can save 14 million next year by releasing Houston. And I saw some pretty good breakdowns of each players impact and it was actually Ford who was the bigger difference maker and forced more double teams than Houston. Cutting Houston allows us to tag Ford without much CAP difference. Despite yesterday's rough game for both guys, Ford led the NFL in QB pressures, forced fumbles and top ten in sacks. That is REALLY hard production to find elsewhere. Meanwhile Houston was very average vs the run this year and is clearly dimininshing as an impact pass rusher. Lets get a guy thats good against the run in his spot at half as much money. i still have to ask, are his skills diminishing or is it because this craptastic DC is not using him correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, moons314 said: We have to build our defense against the run. That’s way more important than pass rushers. Teams are going to try to run to keep our offense off the field. I’d rather be stout against the run and have to blitz to pressure the qb as opposed to the shit we’ve seen in recent years. Ford isn’t good against the run either. Then they'll just throw it every down against a bad pass d. NFL teams still pass way more than they throw. They only run it on the Chiefs because they know the run defense is awful. you need everything to be good, let's get a new DC and upgrade the talent everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 23 minutes ago, KC Warpaint said: i still have to ask, are his skills diminishing or is it because this craptastic DC is not using him correctly? His rush defense numbers in particular dropped significantly this year after being pretty consistently good in Suttons scheme the past five years. Houston looked almost lazy at times pursuing running backs from the back side . He’s still overall a good, not great player. But his pay represents elite money for a declining player. Im not even sure the Chiefs will consider this move. But they should in my opinion. I think Suttons scheme really impacted Hitchens more than anyone else and a run near the goal line yesterday right before Raglands INT really showed it. Hitchens has 20 pounds on Sony Michell but got pushed back like a rag doll because he was on his heels waiting for the runner instead of attacking him like he did last year in Dallas. Hitchens is a MUCH better run defender than he showed this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefswinitall 60 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Mloe68 said: His rush defense numbers in particular dropped significantly this year after being pretty consistently good in Suttons scheme the past five years. Houston looked almost lazy at times pursuing running backs from the back side . He’s still overall a good, not great player. But his pay represents elite money for a declining player. Im not even sure the Chiefs will consider this move. But they should in my opinion. I think Suttons scheme really impacted Hitchens more than anyone else and a run near the goal line yesterday right before Raglands INT really showed it. Hitchens has 20 pounds on Sony Michell but got pushed back like a rag doll because he was on his heels waiting for the runner instead of attacking him like he did last year in Dallas. Hitchens is a MUCH better run defender than he showed this year. dallas coaching or players around him in dallas made him look good????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Chiefswinitall said: dallas coaching or players around him in dallas made him look good????? technique I'm not sure if it was his idea or our dumbshit coaching staff, but his playstyle seems different than when he was in Dallas. I've seen our LB's try to take on ball carriers way too much up high when they aren't strong enough for it and should have been trying to take out the legs a whole lot more. Bad take down strategy, zero fight up front to work free from blocks and zero discipline. It's almost comical how poor of a unit they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 10 hours ago, dksww said: Then they'll just throw it every down against a bad pass d. NFL teams still pass way more than they throw. They only run it on the Chiefs because they know the run defense is awful. you need everything to be good, let's get a new DC and upgrade the talent everywhere. Run is the bigger priority but can never be the only focus. That's why we need to get rid of specialists and find all around guys that can do both at a decent level rather than stars in one aspect that suck in the rest. Our current setup is even bad against the pass as one injury means the lack of pass rush as well. IMO the best way to fix it is getting what we can after tagging Ford to spend on a 4-3 OLB that will make an easier transition to 3-4 and keep the less bad OLB for another year in Houston and replacing him next year. If we go for a guy like Wright in FA I would give up Houston for a mid round pick as well if there's market for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 10:57 PM, Handswarmer said: No, you all said it was a Super Bowl season....quit playing ^^ That was in response to some fans posting that they "Didn't expect to get this far" or "didn't expect to win" On 1/21/2019 at 7:12 AM, soonerborn77 said: Go fuck yourself ^^ That was uncalled for. On 1/21/2019 at 9:19 AM, SEMO said: Calm down. ^^ That was the correct response 19 hours ago, tges58 said: Maybe you ought to try to show a little class instead of coming on here making snide remarks to a fan base that's a little testy after a heart breaking loss. Just a thought. All I did was point out that posters were now trying to backtrack on their predictions and expectations due to the loss. 18 hours ago, soonerborn77 said: We had just lost a heartbreaker, it was ill timed and in poor taste and you knew you are intentionally twisting the knife and adding nothing to the conversation, all pretty hard lined examples of trolling. It’s sad that you get preferential treatment to continue to act this way... Is there a mourning period I violated? C'mon, man up, your team lost. Bright side is that it was in the AFC Championship game with 14 other teams are watching from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 18 hours ago, soonerborn77 said: 100% correct, if any other poster who’s a fan of any other team does the same thing, they probably don’t get a chance to post again. Just because he’s buddy buddy with some posters he’s allowed to do it and we’re told to just ignore it, lol Buddy buddy? Most of the people I met 16 years ago when this all started do not post here anymore. I am friends on FB with some of them. I like to talk football, thats all. Cant stand homer Ravens fan. Got invited here. Don't think I have ever insulted anyone on here with "Go F*** yourself" either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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